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N.Beltov
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posted 21 September 2006 01:13 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha ha. Just kidding. Actually, there wasn't much of a crowd, his speech was almost strictly for domestic consumption and might be useful unedited for the next NATO meeting, it was pretty well what was expected, and it was as statesmanlike as a speech from the high school debating club.

CBC - Harper at the UN


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siren
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posted 21 September 2006 01:56 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, that wasn't a very diplomatic speech as "how are ya, let's get to know one another" introductions go. In fact at some points it is downright bullying:

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Harper outlined a number of upcoming "tests" on which the UN would be judged, including:

Helping stabilize Haiti. {which Canada had a huge hand in destabilizing.}
Addressing the humanitarian crisis in Darfur in western Sudan.
Ensuring peace along the Lebanon-Israel border.
Clamping down on the spread of nuclear proliferation.

He challenged the United Nations to make sure the new Human Rights Council places human rights above "political manoeuvring" and doesn't meet the fate of its "failed predecessor organization."

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Harper also criticized the pace of management reform at the UN, laid out by UN Secretary General Kofi Annan earlier this year. Canada's government has been given a mandate to become more accountable, he said, adding that the UN should follow suit.

"The taxpayers of member nations … make significant financial contributions to this organization," said Harper.

"They have the right to expect stronger, more independent oversight mechanisms, more robust accountability for how funds are spent, and human resources practices that are based on merit."


Which, as usual, displayed his Harpercrite nature:

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The MP {Liberal MP Keith Martin }said Harper simply repeated truisms in his speech on Afghanistan. Martin also complained that opposition politicians have not been able to get any answers on how aid money to the country is being spent.

Guess we can park Steve in the Bush/Bolton, the UN is irrelevant, let's diss it at every opportunity camp.


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remind
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posted 21 September 2006 06:01 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Guess we can park Steve in the Bush/Bolton, the UN is irrelevant, let's diss it at every opportunity camp.

As nbeltov said his comments were strictly for domestic consumption. In other words, his insane base the neo cons. He is throwing them crumbs depicting their right in a public way, they were/are continually spewing this UN bashing, as they think the UN is the anti-Christ.

So now they have these crumbs, they won't mind him not visiting SSM or repealing women's choice.

It will probably work and they'll suck onyet again to true evil!


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posted 21 September 2006 06:36 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The only way to change or stop Harper's mission to remake Canada into his own neocon image is to throw the bum out.
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sgm
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posted 21 September 2006 09:48 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Darfur too is a significant challenge – as multinational security efforts are transferred from the African Union to the United Nations. It is also a test of the principle that this body endorsed last year – the Responsibility to Protect.

The United Nations has authorized a mission there with a robust mandate. But will the government of Sudan accept it?


The situation in Darfur is a serious humanitarian problem (not that Harper's government has consistently been seized of humanitarian crises--indeed, it has consciously and deliberately chosen to exacerbate the humanitarian plight of ordinary Palestinian citizens to achieve political and strategic aims), but that Harper should make this shallow, unreflective question one of his 'key tests' of the UN lays bare the superficial, uncritical, even unthinking approach his government has taken to international affairs.

Harper only embarrassed himself further when he asked the following rhetorical question, given Canada's own recent record on the issue of nuclear proliferation (one example here, another here):

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Nuclear proliferation threatens us all. Are we prepared to ensure that Security Council decisions will be implemented fully? Will we act to halt activities that have no reasonable purpose other than the acquisition of nuclear weapons?

All in all, a shameful display from Canada's Prime Minister before the UN assembly.

[ 21 September 2006: Message edited by: sgm ]


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a lonely worker
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posted 21 September 2006 10:03 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fortunately no one saw it in the rest of the world.

Our media made it appear that he just delivered the speech of the Assembly, yet not one foreign source covered it. The "devil" already gave the main neo-con talking points two days ago. Although I'm sure the sulpher smell is still there (or is that Steve's flatulence).


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sgm
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posted 21 September 2006 10:17 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by a lonely worker:
Fortunately no one saw it in the rest of the world.

That may indeed be fortunate, lonely worker, but I'm betting you'll also agree with me that regardless of what the rest of the world saw or didn't see, Canadian citizens must be willing to challenge Stephen Harper's false account of his government's foreign policy, no?


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a lonely worker
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posted 21 September 2006 11:17 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Absolutely and fortunately it's beginning to happen.
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remind
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posted 22 September 2006 05:49 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by a lonely worker:
Fortunately no one saw it in the rest of the world...The "devil" already gave the main neo-con talking points two days ago. Although I'm sure the sulpher smell is still there (or is that Steve's flatulence).


No, it is sulfur, and thank "GOD" the assembly was empty when he opened his yap, thereby by proving how irrelevant Haprer is on the world stage. Further proved by no media coverage around the world on his idiotic comentary.


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saskganesh
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posted 22 September 2006 07:49 AM      Profile for saskganesh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
214 stories on googlenews. IHN, reuters, msn picked it up. its on the web, so it has global audience.
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posted 22 September 2006 08:06 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Harper told the UN that its reputation depended upon staying the course in Afghanistan.

This reminded me of the Bush speech on Iraq a few years ago, when he threatened it with irrelevance if it did not do what he demanded.

I want to try this tactic on the Globe and Mail:

"If you don't give me what I want (a daily column) your reputation will be in tatters! You will go down in the annals of infamy forever!"

That should work.


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remind
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posted 22 September 2006 08:47 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by saskganesh:
214 stories on googlenews. IHN, reuters, msn picked it up. its on the web, so it has global audience.

Oh right, that is why I just googled it and found squat.


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posted 22 September 2006 09:14 AM      Profile for Village Idiot   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Nuclear proliferation threatens us all. Are we prepared to ensure that Security Council decisions will be implemented fully? Will we act to halt activities that have no reasonable purpose other than the acquisition of nuclear weapons?"

I wonder why, if he is so concerned about "activities that have no reasonable purpose other than...," why does he not make the offer of a CANDU or two? No uranium enrichment necessary for the fuel cycle, therefore any enrichment they do is OBVIOUSLY for weapons...

Maybe I am being naive...I mean, I know that CANDU reactors were used to enable India to obtain nuclear weapons in the past, but at least with regards to Iran, there would be some PROOF...It's impossible to prove the current negative (prove that you are not manufacturing nuclear weapons) in Iran, so wouldn't this solve some basic part of the issue?


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posted 22 September 2006 09:31 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Village Idiot:
"Nuclear proliferation threatens us all.

Yes seeing as how the USA is the only country in history to use upon peoples. Harper should have spoke out about the USA's nukes and stated to them to get rid of them..


quote:
I mean, I know that CANDU reactors were used to enable India to obtain nuclear weapons in the past


I do not know this how do you know this?


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sgm
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posted 22 September 2006 01:04 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
I do not know this how do you know this?

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Canada began its nuclear cooperation with India fifty years ago. In 1955, Canada agreed to build a 40MW research reactor for India, known as the CIRUS (Canada-India Reactor, US) reactor. India promised that both the reactor and the related fissile materials would only be used for peaceful purposes. Canada supplied half the initial uranium fuel for the reactor and the United States supplied the other half, plus heavy water to moderate the nuclear reactions. Canada signed two cooperation agreements that provided India with designs for the CANDU-type reactor. Many of India' s nuclear reactors, both operational and planned, are based on CANDU technology and designs received from Canada.

All were supposed to be exclusively for peaceful use. But in 1974, India cheated on its commitments. It took out fuel rods from the CIRUS reactor, extracted the plutonium from those rods and detonated its first nuclear test. India called it a "peaceful" nuclear explosion, but the country now admits it was a test of a weapon design. In response, Canada ceased all nuclear cooperation with India.

Now, following the US lead, Canada has begun to revive that cooperation. In September 2005, Canadian Foreign Minister Pettigrew met with Indian External Affairs Minister Singh and agreed to forget this history and let bygones be bygones. Significantly, they agreed to develop a broad bilateral cooperation framework, possibly by mid-2006. Canada agreed to open the supply of nuclear technology to any Indian civilian nuclear facility. This means that Canada, too, will violate the NPT. It will break Canadian laws that now require that a nuclear cooperation agreement only be concluded with a state that has signed the NPT (which India refuses to do) or has accepted full-scope safeguards (which India has not).

See more here.


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remind
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posted 22 September 2006 01:09 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks sgm!

This is wow to me!

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Now, following the US lead, Canada has begun to revive that cooperation. In September 2005, Canadian Foreign Minister Pettigrew met with Indian External Affairs Minister Singh and agreed to forget this history and let bygones be bygones. Significantly, they agreed to develop a broad bilateral cooperation framework, possibly by mid-2006. Canada agreed to open the supply of nuclear technology to any Indian civilian nuclear facility. This means that Canada, too, will violate the NPT.

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posted 22 September 2006 10:44 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Thanks sgm!

This is wow to me!


No problem.

I wish more people knew these and other facts regarding Canada's history on nuclear proliferation.


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