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DrConway
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posted 04 November 2006 11:14 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We're All Prisoners, Now: US Citizens to be Required ''Clearance'' to Leave USA

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Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14, 2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

In Soviet America, country leaves you!


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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 04 November 2006 12:19 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Couldn't this law be defeated be defeated before it gets written in stone?
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Michelle
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posted 04 November 2006 12:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by DrConway:
In Soviet America, country leaves you!


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Stargazer
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posted 04 November 2006 04:18 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am totally speechless, but it all fits perfectly. First, ensure that the Republicans win again (they pretty much have that covered with the voting machines, etc.), second, give the President authority to declare Marshal Law just in case he doesn't win (check), third create a false flag catastrophe, fourth, ensure no one can leave or enter the US. America will be in perpetual War and Bush will be President for a long long time.

You asked will this law be given a chance? Absolutely! Fascist States of America - no longer Excited just down to getting dirty with your liberties. I never thought the President would tear up the Constitution but he did. Nothing is impossible with this gang of elite thugs.


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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 04 November 2006 05:05 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
I am totally speechless, but it all fits perfectly. First, ensure that the Republicans win again (they pretty much have that covered with the voting machines, etc.), second, give the President authority to declare Marshal Law just in case he doesn't win (check), third create a false flag catastrophe, fourth, ensure no one can leave or enter the US. America will be in perpetual War and Bush will be President for a long long time.

You asked will this law be given a chance? Absolutely! Fascist States of America - no longer Excited just down to getting dirty with your liberties. I never thought the President would tear up the Constitution but he did. Nothing is impossible with this gang of elite thugs.


Isn't Bush becoming all red, sweaty and insane? If he was absolutey sure of a Republican victory in '08, wouldn't he be a tad more laid back abut dealing with reporters.

Edited because Dubya hasn't mentioned the senate at all.

[ 04 November 2006: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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Harry Chorpita
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posted 04 November 2006 05:28 PM      Profile for Harry Chorpita        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good for a laugh but little else-it won't fly.
You read it here first.

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Fidel
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posted 04 November 2006 05:40 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Baaack in the U.S. baaaack in the U.S.S.A
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Stargazer
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posted 04 November 2006 06:39 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
People's faith in Bush is astonishing, given what he has done and continues to do to his country and other's, with impunity. Why it would be so hard to imagine Bush would not do this is beyond me.

I still have no doubt, at least in my mind, that 9/11 was a false flag operation. He got the desired results. Why is Bush so red in the face now? Could very well be that people are not kissing his ass so much anymore, thanks to his reckless policies, and he knows this and can't stand having anyone question his authority. Afterall, he is speaking for those nuts in PNAC.


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Disgusted
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posted 04 November 2006 07:09 PM      Profile for Disgusted        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's going to get even more ugly in America, after the Tuesday elections. The ship is sinking and the rats are leaving (see the latest Vanity Fair article):

VANITY FAIR

the military is condemning the leadership, the Christian fascists are reeling at their own depravity, the American public is finally coming out of its coma - you just know Rove has to pull some really skookum rabbit out of the hat this time.

I can't help but think the brown stuff will be hitting the fan big-time this time down there in the Benighted States, although it may well be too late. I just wish I could convince my kinfolk down there to get the hell out while they can.


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posted 04 November 2006 07:42 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lame post

[ 04 November 2006: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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Cueball
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posted 04 November 2006 08:15 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you read the Frum quote from that VF artilce?

quote:
David Frum: "I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything."

Remember, this is one of our own, brought up on the power of Margaret Atwood and Mordechai Richler. One writers hubris.


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brookmere
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posted 04 November 2006 11:10 PM      Profile for brookmere     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or to put Frum's words in plain language, "Bush is an idiot". Glad you finally caught on David. We knew it all along.
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arborman
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posted 05 November 2006 11:27 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why does anyone pay attention to David Frum again?

For that matter, why do any of the mindless sycophants who cheerfully worshipped Bush and spewed venom at those of us who could see the emperor's bare ass still have a job in the 'journalist' profession? They are not journalists in any meaningful sense.

PR flacks should not be quoted or treated as authorities on anything, and Frum is essentially a right wing PR flack with pedigree.


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jeff house
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posted 05 November 2006 11:47 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all
airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain
clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the
United States.

versus......

quote:

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 13.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.



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Cueball
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posted 05 November 2006 11:50 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by arborman:
Why does anyone pay attention to David Frum again?

But isn't it just completely meglomaniacle for Frum to believe that he control Bush by writing speeches for him? I had no idea he was so egoistic, I thought he was just a schill. I had no idea he thought he was actually shaping US policy from his lap top.

In other words, Frum is not merely a sychophant, but a world class lunatic all of his own accord.

Amazing, really.

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jeff house
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posted 05 November 2006 12:11 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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But isn't it just completely meglomaniacle for Frum to believe that he control Bush by writing speeches for him?

That's a good question. But I think the answer is this:

Frum needs to put space between himself and Bush if he is ever to have any credibility with anyone, ever again.

So, he wants us to judge him on his stated goals, not on the realities of the policy. So, if David writes about all the human rights he is going to bring to Iraq, then we say: David is SUCH a decent fellow! That George Bush, though, just didn't listen to all of David's WISE advice!

It is a standard which any ideologue wants to have applied to himself. "Judge my intentions, not what my policies caused in the real world."


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Cueball
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posted 05 November 2006 12:25 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But this particular expression of that phenomena smacks keenly of the sweeping phantasmal grandeur that underpinned much of what Frum wrote for Bush, such as the Axis of Evil speech.
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blogbart
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posted 05 November 2006 01:08 PM      Profile for blogbart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As much as I've demonstrated doubt about the official US gov, Bush admin, MSM story about 9/11, I find myself baulking at accepting the implications of controlling ingress/egress of US citizens (and others) from their own country.

Sometimes I contemplate that a lot of this is a head game, a part of the diabolically effective Rovian strategy "we make reality and just as you try to catch up to that, we make a new reality"

Consider that a lot of these draconian measures have the effect of boggling the mind, of instilling dreadful awe, in the same way as the jets striking the WTC, and the subsequent collapses (demolitions) of WTC 1, 2 & 7.

It keeps you off balance, uncertain, and allows someone else to control the agenda. We are being rendered tabula rasa, to be etched upon by whom? Rove? Some insightful cabal?


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Brett Mann
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posted 05 November 2006 02:02 PM      Profile for Brett Mann        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Sweeping phantasmal grandeur" - magnificent, Cueball! You hit on a key aspect of these folks thinking. This is a visible symptom of a type of fascist cast of mind seen in the lot of them, Perle, Frum, Cheney, etc. But believe it or not, there's a strong element of truth in Frum's insinuations about the art of the speech writer. At the executive level , he or she becomes an integral part of the policy development apparatus often. Almost every nuance of phrase has policy implications and the speech writer has often-overlooked input into this process. The staggering arrogance you refer to is real among the neo-cons, but Frum was actually letting a secret out of the speech-writer's bag here. All speechwriters think this way at that level of power.
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Cueball
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posted 06 November 2006 08:39 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I should have known better than to trust the editors at Vanity Fair who lied to me and to others who spoke with Mr. Rose. Moreover, in condensing and characterizing my views for their own partisan political purposes, they have distorted my opinion about the situation in Iraq and what I believe to be in the best interest of our country.

Perle Takes a Bird


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Geneva
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posted 06 November 2006 09:26 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
their replies to Vanity Fair:
http://tinyurl.com/yj6h7u

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Sineed
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posted 06 November 2006 10:01 AM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just read that Vanity Fair article. They're like rats deserting a sinking ship. At this late date, they're just looking to save their careers; the people with actual ethics, like Colin Powell and Richard Clarke, left ages ago.
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