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posted 12 January 2005 08:36 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unbelievable! Dressed as a Nazi for a costume party.

http://tinyurl.com/6l96v

Prince Harry, 20, the second son of Prince Charles, was shown in early editions of Thursday's issue of the Sun, clutching a cigarette and a drink and wearing a swastika armband.


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posted 12 January 2005 09:57 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Holy Shit!! This is great!

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posted 12 January 2005 10:06 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Boy, that's really fucking dumb -- even for a 20 year old rich-kid, he should know that he's a public figure. Don't these royal people get any training?
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posted 12 January 2005 10:14 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He is wearing that shirt so casually.

If he were in 1941 Germany, Himmler would've taken his little brown shirt ass and disciplined him. And then demonized him for being a British royal. I think he betrays his nation, neigh, everyone, when he does that. Absolutely stupid.

Was it him or William that was smitten with that girl from Kenya? Just idle banter.


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posted 12 January 2005 10:15 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good God yes. I hope he's not taking after his grandfather. Or worse, his great great uncle Edward.
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posted 12 January 2005 10:25 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh MAN! What was he THINKING?

BTW, I'm not laughing at the Nazi part. Obviously that is a tasteless and disgusting costume. However, the embarassment that this means for the Royal Sponge Family? Priceless!

And the sad thing is, that's probably all they're sorry for. The embarrassment.


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posted 12 January 2005 10:29 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think he's finally going to get a spanking that he didn't have to go downtown and pay for.
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posted 12 January 2005 10:42 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And now for a link that does not require a login:
Prince Harry sorry for wearing Nazi costume

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posted 12 January 2005 11:10 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:
I think he's finally going to get a spanking that he didn't have to go downtown and pay for.

Is this an earlier revelation I missed, or just an assumption on your part?


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posted 12 January 2005 11:31 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I think he betrays his nation, neigh, everyone, when he does that.

Spelling flames are lame, but this is an entirely fortunate misspelling of "nay", in the present instance.


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posted 12 January 2005 11:35 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PS, this is offensive and beyond stupid. But then, Harry is already known to be a vulgar, insensitive, sexist, self-centred clod in so many ways. Oldgoat, I suspect Harry is a deeply sadistic little prick.
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posted 13 January 2005 09:35 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Harry's getup wasn't the whole story - the young royals were attending a Native and colonial themed fancy-dress party. Offensive and racist in its own right.

Remember that, like it or not, the little shit is in line for the throne to be head of state here as well. - Yes, I know, yet another argument for republicanism but in the meantime, he should be forced to visit Commonwealth war graves to apologise as well as Auschwitz and other Nazi death camps.


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posted 13 January 2005 10:08 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"The 'native and colonial' themed party" -- oh, barf. I agree, lagatta: more than just the story of Harry's bad judgement, this is a glimpse of an entire class of ineducable throwbacks.

And what is the Canadian Monarchist League's Aimers rabbitting on about? Edward and Wallis were "unfairly alleged" to have Nazi sympathies? Winston Churchill didn't behave as though he thought there was anything unfair about those allegations. Little has been proved, of course, perhaps because of Mr Blunt's secret mission to Germany immediately after the war, on special assignment from the royal family, one of the reasons Mr Blunt was not years later charged with being "the fourth man"?


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posted 13 January 2005 10:14 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by skdadl:
"The 'native and colonial' themed party" -- oh, barf. I agree, lagatta: more than just the story of Harry's bad judgement, this is a glimpse of an entire class of ineducable throwbacks. QUOTE]

Who could ever take Harry seriously as a King-in-waiting after this episode?


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posted 13 January 2005 10:16 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who takes kings-in-waiting seriously?
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posted 13 January 2005 10:22 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Who takes kings-in-waiting seriously?

I may have erred - it's actually William who is next in line after Charles, isn't it? At least he doesn't seem like such a clueless dork like his brother. Take the Royal Family - please.


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posted 13 January 2005 10:29 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by kingblake:
Holy Shit!! This is great!

My sentiments, exactly. I'm going to print this photo and paste it where it'll be viewed the most. This is Quebec, I wonder what people here think of this.


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posted 13 January 2005 10:55 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1438439,00.html

The incident is the latest in a damaging series generated by Harry, which often involve excessive drinking. Prince Harry was among 250 guests at the party for the 22nd birthday of Mr Meade's son Harry.

Prince William dressed in a home-made lion and leopard outfit. The theme of the party at Mr Meade's equestrian centre was Colonials and Natives.

The theme of the party caused further embarrassment to Clarence House last night. It contained uncomfortable echoes of the row involving Princess Michael of Kent, after she caused uproar in an upmarket New York restaurant last April. Having taken exception to the noise levels generated by a group of black diners she was accused of telling them, after an altercation to "go back to the colonies". She denied the allegation and said that she had been misrepresented.

The Duke of Edinburgh, one of the most gaffe-prone members of the Royal Family, caused offence in 1997 when he addressed Helmut Kohl, then the German Chancellor, by Hitler's Nazi title, Reichskanzler.

The Royal Family has been highly sensitive about any links to Nazi Germany after the Duke of Windsor, who was regarded by some as a sympathiser, visited Germany with Mrs Simpson as the personal guest of Hitler in 1937.


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posted 13 January 2005 11:31 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Among the many things in life that totally escape me is the fascination with these people.
When are the British people going to tell these dorks to piss off? Any Brits here?

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posted 13 January 2005 11:45 AM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably 5 minutes before we do.
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posted 13 January 2005 12:05 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
TWO babbler contests!

1) Imaginative new uses for the Royal palaces and properties (this includes our Gov-Gen's residence, but the outdoor summer concerts MUST continue)

2) A reworking of The Producers starring Prince Harry, Jean-Marie Le Pen and featuring a guest appearance by Mark Thatcher ...


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posted 13 January 2005 12:09 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lagatta:
[QB]TWO babbler contests!

1) Imaginative new uses for the Royal palaces and properties (this includes our Gov-Gen's residence, but the outdoor summer concerts MUST continue)
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Housing for the poor and homeless. No other use would be acceptable to me.


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posted 13 January 2005 12:20 PM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It runs in the family. From the BBC: Long line of princely gaffes

In the words of my father, "Dressing up as a nazi seems like the next step".

And of course housing and shelter, but maybe those are a tad TOO obvious. My preference would be to use them to create a network of Museums dedicated to how imperialism and colonialism fucked everyone else over. That way every country with an equvalent to the GGs mansion could have a museum about their colonial legacy.

Grant R:


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posted 13 January 2005 12:35 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Grant R.:
Probably 5 minutes before we do.

Given the difficulty of amending our constitution, there's a distinct possibility of Canada retaining the monarchy after its abolition in the UK.


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posted 13 January 2005 12:57 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
TWO babbler contests!

1) Imaginative new uses for the Royal palaces and properties (this includes our Gov-Gen's residence, but the outdoor summer concerts MUST continue)

2) A reworking of The Producers starring Prince Harry, Jean-Marie Le Pen and featuring a guest appearance by Mark Thatcher ...


1) Museum of Imperialism, perhaps supporting a network independent post-colonial studies institutes devoted to working out appropriate justice for colonial wrongs (of course drawing on knowledge from the peoples affected and not scholars from the same groups that were priveledged by British imperialism) with the same budgets that currently go to the Royalty and GGs.

2) Harry:It's springtime for Harry and Buckingham
J-M:L'Angleterre est heureuse et gaie
Together:We're marching to a faster pace/
Look out, here comes the master race(s)!

Not sure Mark would fit into that song, maybe he should appear later on.


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posted 13 January 2005 01:00 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The little bastard should be forced to give tours of Auschwitz for the rest of his natural life.
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posted 13 January 2005 01:47 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stupid?
yes.

Malevolent?
...seems like a big leap to me.

No one gave a flying fig when Johnny & Sid did it twenty years ago, and no one should be losing sleep over a kid (even a royal one) making the same stupid mistake today. He's apologised for it; let's wait and see if he's bright enough to learn anything from it.


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posted 13 January 2005 01:49 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Who takes kings-in-waiting seriously?
The Royals have alot of influence. We need to take this seriously. He'll never be King anyway,

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posted 13 January 2005 02:07 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wouldn't it be fun to invite Harry to a French Revolution theme party?
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posted 13 January 2005 02:08 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
No one gave a flying fig when Johnny & Sid did it twenty years ago

Well, they were making a political statement, however clumsy, along the lines of:

"God save the queen, her fascist regime, has made you a moron, potential h-bomb."

And on the face of it, it appears that Harry is doing his level best to prove them right.


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posted 13 January 2005 02:18 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Wouldn't it be fun to invite Harry to a French Revolution theme party?

Now let's not go losing our heads.


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posted 13 January 2005 02:21 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Wouldn't it be fun to invite Harry to a French Revolution theme party?

He wouldn't come as he's never had head to lose.


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posted 13 January 2005 02:22 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lard tunderin' jeesus: No one gave a flying fig when Johnny & Sid did it twenty years ago
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Johnny and Sid not friggin' Royals, are they? I would think greater discretion and maturity are required of Harry and William, being little imperialist condescending upper class twits, notwithstanding.

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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Wouldn't it be fun to invite Harry to a French Revolution theme party?


Off with their heads! Let them eat cake!


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posted 13 January 2005 02:29 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A la lanterne!
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Harry the Nazi: a defence of the idiot prince
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1. Prince Harry is sensationally stupid. Seriously, the lad is practically retarded, so it’s appropriate to cut him some slack. It’s a small miracle every time he finds his mouth with his cigarette, so the fact that he would put on a Nazi armband and not think – at any point – that this might possibly be a really really wrong thing to do, is perfectly understandable. Questions must be asked of the people around him: his friends, his carers, his bodyguards. Did no one think to mention to the dribbling moron that maybe the pretty red armband with the funny black squiggle in the middle was maybe best left in the limo? Would you blame a coma victim for wetting the bed? No. So don’t be too harsh on Harry.

2. The theme of the fancy dress party, thrown by famous horseman and friend of Prince Charles, Richarde Meade, was – believe it or not – ‘Colonials and Natives’. Oh lordy. Colonials and Natives? What the fuck are these people on? What century are they living in? Colonials and Natives? It beggars belief. Why not ‘Imperialists and Nig Nogs’? Or would that have been bad taste? So anyway, a fair share of the blame for Harry’s outfit must surely go to the imbecilic Richarde Meade and his appalling choice of party theme.*

3. Where did Harry get the armband? Presumably he went for advice to his grandfather, who delightedly threw open his closet doors to reveal rack upon rack of Gestapo jackets stormtrooper boots. Or maybe Prince Philip simply slipped off his dressing gown to reveal his own swastika armband, which he rolled off and pressed lovingly into Harry’s upturned palm. “Now off you go, you young scamp, and have fun.”

4. No one seems to have wondered: perhaps Prince Harry didn’t realize it was a fancy dress party? It’s possible he just came on from a meeting, and didn’t have time to change. In which case it is heartening to see that he has developed an interest in politics.



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It makes me wonder what other people dressed as. How about Leopold of Belgium, carrying an amputated hand? Or Cortez? The possibilities are endless.
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Comment by Ros Taylor.
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...It's even considered OK, in Sloaney circles, to throw "Colonial and Native" parties like the one Harry was attending. Prince William wore a straw skirt for his 21st (the dress code for that party was "Out of Africa") and this time he reportedly turned up wearing a skin-tight black leotard and leopard-skin paws and a tail.

It's precisely because colonial Africa is a sensitive subject among Guardian readers and New Labour that this class of British society loves to revive it. The sexually uptight middle classes have their tarts and vicars; for the upper classes, it's Britain's colonial past that provides a bit of a frisson. It might have been terribly bad to pretend we owned half the world. But it was fun, wasn't it?...


quote:
...Harry's mistake was that he didn't do irony...
... It's when you look at his swaggering demeanour in the photographs in today's Sun that it hits you: Harry apparently thinks he looks damned fine in Nazi costume.

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Actually, the Hanoverians and their descendents have been keeping the British tabloid press writers employed for 300 years. If the Monarchy was discontinued, think of the unionized British press men and women who would be out of work.
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Poor dears. They'd be forced to follow the Olsen Twins around like the rest of the world's press.
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I just realized something. The British Royals got all the G13.
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quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
Among the many things in life that totally escape me is the fascination with these people.
When are the British people going to tell these dorks to piss off? Any Brits here?

No kidding. Actually, when are the CANADIANS going to tell those dorks to piss off?


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I think what is becoming distressingly clear is that primogeniture alone doesn't give you the qualifications for taking the responsibilities of the Monarchy. William I think is by far the most suitable, but, God, going to a party with the theme of "natives and colonials" I think really discredits him; that, and not doing anything (apparently) to discourage brother Harry from making an ass of himself with the swatika armband. I shudder to think one of these upper class twits is going to be the next Head of State. God help us.
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posted 13 January 2005 11:16 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I suppose it would be impolite at this point to remind everyone of the WWII-era Pierre Trudeau, his motorcycle and his Nazi helmet.
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I don't know why but it reminded me of the last prominent American to get caught in proximity to a Nazi armband -- former Cinci Reds owner Marge Schott. I think she and Harry probably would have got on well.

I still can't get over "colonials and natives." Sort of what some southern college frats have been caught doing down here.

Disgusting but I suppose not too surprising.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Embarassed American:
I still can't get over "colonials and natives." Sort of what some southern college frats have been caught doing down here.
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Yeah, that really bummed me out, about as far from political correctness as you can get.

Wanna dump the monarchy in Canada? I found this:

http://www.canadian-republic.ca/home.html
"Polls show that while the Queen retains some measure of personal popularity in Canada, that can't be said for her heir or, for that matter, the institution of the monarchy itself. Canadians, possibly within this decade, will eventually be faced with making a choice on who will be our next head of state and we believe
it's in Canada's best interest to resolve the most difficult aspects of this issue now,
while a popular monarch reigns in apparent good health".

I don't know how bona fide it is.


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I seriously doubt there's a chance of a PM and seven premiers agreeing to such a massive constitutional overhaul.

Quebec might, but would demand other changes. I can't imagine any Atlantic premier being willing, nor any other premier being enthusiastic.


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My question is, why couldn't the governor general simply be elected? The federal government could simply arrange for an election, and then the Prime Minister would "appoint" the winner. I don't see why this would require a constitutional change. Eventually the system would have its own legitimacy.
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posted 13 January 2005 11:53 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
I suppose it would be impolite at this point to remind everyone of the WWII-era Pierre Trudeau, his motorcycle and his Nazi helmet.

The good news is, he's STILL dead. Much as I hate Peter Worthington, his obituary of Trudeau, which was along the lines of "drive a stake in his heart to be sure", brings a chuckle now.


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RealityBites:
[QB]I seriously doubt there's a chance of a PM and seven premiers agreeing to such a massive constitutional overhaul.

I haven't gone through the whole website yet
(http://www.canadian-republic.ca/home.html) but presumably they've worked out a mechanism to dump that old lady off our money and so forth. Does anyone think seriously that Martin and the premiers want *any* of these aristocratic twits
(Charles, William, Harry) to be our next sovereign? Crikey, I hope not.


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posted 14 January 2005 12:10 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder how putting some descendant of the House of Bourbon on Canada's throne would play in Québec?
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posted 14 January 2005 12:18 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
I wonder how putting some descendant of the House of Bourbon on Canada's throne would play in Québec?

I live in Quebec. Trade one evil for another? I don't think so.


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quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
My question is, why couldn't the governor general simply be elected? The federal government could simply arrange for an election, and then the Prime Minister would "appoint" the winner. I don't see why this would require a constitutional change. Eventually the system would have its own legitimacy.

Because the Queen is a part of the constitution and the GG is her representative. We could possibly elect the GG and have the queen apoint the winner, but it wouldn't alter the position of the queen.


Also I was wrong -- it requires unanimous consent to get rid of the monarchy.

The Executive Government and Authority of and over Canada is hereby declared to continue and be vested in the Queen.


An amendment to the Constitution of Canada in relation to the following matters may be made by proclamation issued by the Governor General under the Great Seal of Canada only where authorized by resolutions of the Senate and House of Commons and of the legislative assembly of each province:
(a) the office of the Queen, the Governor General and the Lieutenant Governor of a province;

It's a virtual political impossibility, no matter how big a twit Charles and his nightmheirs are.

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posted 14 January 2005 12:21 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reinstate the Hohenzoellers in Alberta while you're at it.
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I think I saw a suggestion somewhere about Preston Manning as possible Premier of Alberta. The problem is, he might be an improvement somewhat, and probably better than Ted Morton. Egad, what horrible choices!
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posted 14 January 2005 02:22 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do not understand what a Nazi costume has to do with "native and colonial" themed party in the first place?

BTW Trudeau and the German garb was reported by 1 person only, and he did not say Nai in his story did he? I far as I can see he said it was German that Trudeau wore.

Plus, when William gains the throne the Stewart line will be back in place. wonder how that will play out in the world of things?

Edited add: Contrarian, I am not surprised at all about Preston becoming Premier. Perhaps when Harper is disguarded he can eject preston then too?

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Alberta has plenty of potential premiers, and each one of them is worse than all the rest.
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posted 14 January 2005 03:02 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
. . why couldn't the governor general simply be elected? The federal government could simply arrange for an election, and then the Prime Minister would "appoint" the winner. I don't see why this would require a constitutional change.

I think you're correct -- but why would we want to do that? The Governor-General has no power, except in case of parliamentary imbroglio when she has to decide whether to ask someone to try to form a government or give up and call an early election. This is not worth holding a national election for.

The letters patent of 1947 respecting the office of Governor General provide that, should the Governor General die, become incapacitated or be absent from the country for a period of more than one month, the Chief Justice or, if that office is vacant, the senior puisne Judge of the Supreme Court, would become the Administrator of Canada and exercise all the powers and duties of the Governor General.

Maybe we should just leave the G-G's office vacant and save some money?

Or, since The Honourable Mr. Justice Louis LeBel just turned 65 in November, if you want to totally depoliticize the office, he could be promoted to Governor-General when Adrienne Clarkson's term ends?

But I'm not serious. I love Adrienne. I hope they can find someone half as inspiring as her for the next appointment.


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posted 14 January 2005 04:54 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
My question is, why couldn't the governor general simply be elected? The federal government could simply arrange for an election, and then the Prime Minister would "appoint" the winner. I don't see why this would require a constitutional change. Eventually the system would have its own legitimacy.

That would eliminate the GG (as currently known) but not the monarch. Also, (and I admit this is more gut reaction than logic) electing a GG seems too much like electing a Senator-in-waiting.


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I nominate John Manley for Governor General.
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posted 14 January 2005 06:31 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wilfred Day:
But I'm not serious. I love Adrienne. I hope they can find someone half as inspiring as her for the next appointment.
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It's her husband I can't stand. Geez, what a horse's ass he is.

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posted 14 January 2005 06:33 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
I nominate John Manley for Governor General.

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I love it! That would kill the office, definitely.

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posted 14 January 2005 10:13 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

Originally posted by Hephaestion:
I nominate John Manley for Governor General.
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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I love it! That would kill the office, definitely.

Not to mention sidelining that weasel Manley into a job where he couldn't do much harm and might actually do the country some good.

What a concept!


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posted 14 January 2005 10:55 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I love it! That would kill the office, definitely.

quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Not to mention sidelining that weasel Manley into a job where he couldn't do much harm and might actually do the country some good.

I don't think you got my drift, Heppy. I meant that appointing Manley as GG would kill the office of GG forever. Cheers!


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posted 14 January 2005 11:04 AM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently the Queen will be addressing a holocaust memorial at Auschwitz in 2 weeks. I bet she's REALLY looking forward to that now.
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posted 14 January 2005 11:11 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I don't think you got my drift, Heppy. I meant that appointing Manley as GG would kill the office of GG forever. Cheers!

Oh, I got it, all right... I just don't see ol' anti-monarchist Manley being much use to any progressive cause *except* in the role of killing off the monarchy in Canada. Once he's done that, give him a pension as Canada's LAST Governor-General. (It'd be worth it!)


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posted 14 January 2005 12:09 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

Oh, I got it, all right... I just don't see ol' anti-monarchist Manley being much use to any progressive cause *except* in the role of killing off the monarchy in Canada. Once he's done that, give him a pension as Canada's LAST Governor-General. (It'd be worth it!)



Oh, okay. We'll have to get together sometime over beer and celebrate his appointment - if it happens, God willing.


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posted 14 January 2005 01:35 PM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The news headline on the netscape home page reads:

Charles Orders Harry to Auschwitz

Certainly a headline that can be interpreted a number of ways.


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posted 14 January 2005 01:53 PM      Profile for VanLuke     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:

BTW Trudeau and the German garb was reported by 1 person only,

Would that be Walter Stewart Shrug. Trudeau in Power, published in 1972?

http://www.biblio.com/books/14324557.html

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fos some interesting links:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/uk_news/2005/01/14/meanwhile_in_germany.html

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posted 14 January 2005 03:27 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who's to say Harry isn't an amoral sicko and will be chastened by his visit to Auschwitz, as opposed to getting his rocks off.

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