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Loony Bin
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posted 04 August 2004 12:37 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...that's a lyric from a Doors song about how during the sixties youth outnumbered adults, or soldiers outnumbered civilians, or youth outnumbered soldiers...or something like that (I can't remember exactly).

It's also, they say, the ratio of men to women in the city where I live right now (Calgary). I'm not exactly sure what the real statistic is that it refers to, or how they define "man" and "woman" in that ratio, but I can attest to its rough accuracy.

I thought, "Fantastic!" when I heard this. As a newly single girl in a new city, it's nice to have a one in five ratio working to my benefit. The longer I'm here, though, the more ways I see it playing out. For instance, I'm outnumbered by men in most instances these days, wherever I go.

I guess I thought this thread might be about how the ratio of men to women (or vice versa ) effects the power dynamic in babblers' experience, and what other babblers have felt in situations when they've been outnumbered by the opposite sex. I put it in feminism just because it's a gender issue, and I was thinking about it last night in a framework of work, pay equity, safety, etc.


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'lance
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posted 04 August 2004 01:08 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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It's also, they say, the ratio of men to women in the city where I live right now (Calgary).

I'm a little doubtful about that. I can see something like that being true in, say, Fort McMurray, where a lot of single men might go to work in the oil patch. But it sounds way skewed for a place like Calgary which is, after all, largely made up of single-family houses.

This table says that the population of Alberta is 50.5% male, which is a little higher than the national average of 49.5%. There are about 4,000,000 people in Alberta of whom about 1,000,000 live in Calgary. So if Calgary were 85% male, some other place like Edmonton would have to be 85% female to balance the numbers out. Having spent some time there I'm pretty sure it's not.


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posted 04 August 2004 01:18 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gee, I obviously left Alberta at just the wrong time. Brilliant, skdadl.

I am almost never in a situation when the men outnumber the women. That probably has something to do with the kind of education I had and then the work I did. (Why didn't I think of that sooner, when I could have become, eg, a geologist? )

The place I most often go now is full of elderly people, and there especially, the women outnumber the men, for the traditional reason (and that is not going to make you cheerful, guys).

I know of only one way in my present life to be outnumbered by men: I call a bunch of 'em up and say, So -- how's about a drink Friday aft?


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posted 04 August 2004 01:30 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't that Heidi Abromowitz's definition of a double date - she and two guys?
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posted 04 August 2004 01:31 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hmm...seems I was, in fact, misled.

Here's what I found on the City of Calgary website, from the 2004 Civic Census:
gender/age distribution (p. 8 of 12)

there are more men than women, no doubt, but it's sadly not five to one after all.

All the same, I still find myself outnumbered an awful lot around here. It's a marked difference from where I was living and working in Toronto, where I was one of the majority most of the time.

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posted 04 August 2004 04:05 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
So if Calgary were 85% male, some other place like Edmonton would have to be 85% female to balance the numbers out. Having spent some time there I'm pretty sure it's not.

Huh. Just when I was all excited to see statistics back my long-standing allegation that Calgarians are a bunch of dicks.

quote:
All the same, I still find myself outnumbered an awful lot around here. It's a marked difference from where I was living and working in Toronto, where I was one of the majority most of the time.

Maybe it's a reflection of the company you keep or the places you frequent?


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Loony Bin
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posted 04 August 2004 04:20 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ahem, I don't know quite what you're insinuating, Mr. Black Dog.

It's possible, though. I'm living near SAIT, working at a transportation consulting firm, and at a donair shop where most nights I'm the only girl on shift. And most of the folks who come for the donairs are boys...


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posted 04 August 2004 04:24 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oooh. Donairs.

I'm going through a real donair phase right now. Are they any good? PM me the location and I can try them out.


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posted 04 August 2004 04:42 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Q: what has four legs and lives on a farm?
A: nothing that ever ends up in a donair!


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'lance
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posted 04 August 2004 04:56 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
(Why didn't I think of that sooner, when I could have become, eg, a geologist?)

But you already rock our world, skdadl!

(ba-DUMP ksshhh...)

Thank you, I'll be here all year. Be sure to tip your moderator.


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posted 04 August 2004 04:59 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

What is a "donair," please?


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posted 04 August 2004 05:01 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you're Turkish, I believe you pronounce it like "donor". Like, "what's that? Donor meat?"
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Loony Bin
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posted 04 August 2004 05:01 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
okay, so how's about we get back to the topic of being outnumbered?

maybe some one of the fellas would like to tell us what it's like to be outnumbered by women?

And any female babblers in situations similar to mine, surrounded by men all the time?

What's it like for you, and how do you think it effects things in general?


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posted 04 August 2004 05:03 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
)a donair is like a felafel, but with "beef" instead of...whatever a felafel ball is. Maybe you know it as a gyro?

They also make 'em with chicken, and then it's called a shawarma (or something roughly like that).

and now let's get back to the topic at hand?
(guilty smiley, for participating in the drift of my own thread: )

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posted 04 August 2004 05:06 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Strangely enough, even though I am in a technical field, I get outnumbered by women pretty often. My subfield appears to be the "pink collar ghetto" of my field, except to me it is the cooler area, so it's no ghetto. I admit I have not really felt it to be very different even when there are more women around than men. I guess when there are women around, different kinds of fiction literature and movies get discussed. Maybe I'll have to try and notice harder if anything is really different.

Oh, and people pig out less at potlucks when there are more women around, and the food is less flavourful (lots of lentil-veggies stuff as women are more likely to be vegan, I think). I like to eat, so this can get annoying

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skdadl
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posted 04 August 2004 05:08 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, shawarma (sp?) -- I know those. I would pick the falafel, though.

Back to the topic: I feel outnumbered by men on babble. I am outnumbered by men on babble. It has made me, normally a shrinking violet, terribly aggressive and competitive. I wonder about this sometimes.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 August 2004 05:09 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sorry, but this is a foodie thread now.

A Gyro should be made with lamb and a donair with beef and lamb, and in either case the meat is made into one of those huge mystery blocks that sits and turns all day and gets hunks carved off.

A Shawarma can be either chicken or beef, but is made of recognizable pieces of such, spindled onto the same rotating machine to cook all day like a huge kebab.


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posted 04 August 2004 05:13 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
maybe some one of the fellas would like to tell us what it's like to be outnumbered by women?

For some reason I ended up living with mostly or entirely female roommates for several years there, before I moved in with, and married, the DMM.

At the very least, it reinforced something I'd begun to suspect when living in a co-ed residence, which is that women -- at least, of my approximate age, background, education etc. -- talk about sex (e.g.) way more frankly than any men (or teenage boys) I've ever spent time with.


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posted 04 August 2004 05:20 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Germany, the Döner or Dönerkebab is the favourite fast-food, as the merguez-frites is the favourite in France... http://www.serve.com/shea/gicdoner.htm
A Döner should be made with lamb or mutton, but often they are even made with pork, though most of the kebab shop owners are of Muslim origins (usually Turkish in Germany). Usually in France they seem to be made of veal.

I think such things are usually more popular among the lads.


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posted 04 August 2004 05:25 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And that's precisely why I'm so often so overwhelmingly outnumbered.

Not that I'm exactly complaining...


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'lance
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posted 04 August 2004 05:30 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I think such things are usually more popular among the lads.

< drift >

If this is going to be a food* thread, can any lad hereabouts explain the appeal of beef jerky, specifically that stuff they sell in skinny-sausage form at convenience stores?

(I say "lad" because I've never seen any lass eat it, but of course any lasses who like the stuff are welcome to weigh in).

If a person wants to eat salty leather, what's wrong with old shoes? Though I grant you can't buy those in every corner store.

*perhaps that should be "food."

< /drift >


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posted 04 August 2004 05:50 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's a long salty stick of hard beef. What's not for the lads to like?
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posted 04 August 2004 05:53 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
It's a long salty stick of hard beef. What's not for the lads to like?

Put that way it sounds like something the lassies would enjoy too!


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posted 04 August 2004 05:54 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the laddies would enjoy the lassies enjoying it.
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posted 04 August 2004 06:05 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay now we're just doing some kind of weird 'pemmican porn'.
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'lance
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posted 04 August 2004 06:05 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dude. You started it, and all.
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posted 04 August 2004 06:06 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mind is with Debra's (in the gutter)

I'm outnumbered by men at work, but not in my city, at least as I experience it. (seems there are more gals in my town, and overwhelmingly they are single moms like moi) My frustration is, it doesn't matter if there are more men than women, if the men are not available, or, *sigh* desirable.

I once participated in a lively discussion about the global 60/40 women-to-men ratio that I have seen in print. One woman, an older, religious woman, argued *ad nauseum* that it was impossible for there to be more women than men, because God made equal numbers of each!! For obvious reasons. *wink wink nudge nudge*

Can somebody enlighten me on this 60-40 thing? I learned of it in all of my gender studies courses.


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'lance
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posted 04 August 2004 06:12 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Can somebody enlighten me on this 60-40 thing? I learned of it in all of my gender studies courses.

That's the most lopsided version of it I've heard (usually I've heard that women were 52%-53% of the population).

I'll look on the World Population Bureau site for figures. Meanwhile, it's certainly not true of Canada, which is 50.5% female.


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posted 04 August 2004 06:17 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks 'lance.
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'lance
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posted 04 August 2004 06:21 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For once the Population Research Bureau site (had the name wrong before) wasn't a lot of help.

But the figures on this page suggest that the world's population is about 49.7% female.


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posted 04 August 2004 06:26 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm Ive often been outnumbered by women.
Brought up by my mother with my sister for company
University was mostly woman around me (especially my Woman myth and religion course by Johanna Stckey which was all women except for me)
I worked in a Headhunters office and was the only guy as well.
Presently though Im mostly surrounded by men in the office though I prefer hanging with woman oddly enough. I seem to get along and bond better with them than men.

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