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Author Topic: Jenin comes to Lebanon. So where is the outcry?
Wade Tompkins
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posted 29 May 2007 11:17 AM      Profile for Wade Tompkins        Edit/Delete Post
I think this article makes some good points. Why does the media bash Israel yet give Lebanon a pass for exactly the same situation? I believe it's due to rampant underlying anti-semitism in the major news outlets in this country.

http://www.canada.com/

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Jenin comes to Lebanon. So where is the outcry?

Jonathan Kay
National Post


Tuesday, May 29, 2007


Last week, the Lebanese army attacked a squalid Palestinian refugee camp that's become infested with Islamist suicide terrorists and guerilla fighters. On May 20, government troops surrounded the camp, with tanks and artillery pieces shelling it at close range. Army snipers gunned down anything that moved. At least 18 civilians were killed, and dozens more injured. Water and electricity were cut off. By week's end, much of the camp had been turned into deserted rubble. Thousands of terrified residents fleeing the camp reported harrowing stories of famished, parched families trapped in their basements.

How did the rest of the world react? The Arab League quickly condemned "the criminal and terrorist acts carried out by the terrorist group known as Fatah al-Islam," and vowed to "give its full support to the efforts of the army and the Lebanese government." EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana also condemned Fatah al-Islam, and declared Europe's "support" for Lebanon. And the UN Security Council called the actions of Fatah al-Islam "an unacceptable attack" on Lebanon's sovereignty. As for the Western media, most outlets ignored the story following the first flurry of news reports.

At this point, please indulge me by re-reading the first paragraph of this column -- except this time, substitute the world "Israeli" for "Lebanese" in the first sentence. Let's imagine what the world's reaction would be if the ongoing siege were taking place in Gaza or the West Bank instead of the Nahr al Bared refugee camp on the outskirts of Tripoli, Lebanon.

First of all, a flood of foreign journalists would descend on the camp to document Israel's cruelty and barbarism, and the story would remain front page news to this day. Al-Jazeera would be a 24/7 montage of grieving mothers swearing revenge on the Zionist butchers, and rumours would swirl of mass graves and poison gas. The Arab League, EU and United Nations would condemn Israeli aggression -- as would the editorial board of The New York Times. The Independent would dispatch Robert Fisk to embed with Fatah al-Islam. And the newspaper's cartoonist, Dave Brown, would produce another award-winning rendition of his signature theme: Jews eating Palestinian babies.

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Merowe
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posted 29 May 2007 01:26 PM      Profile for Merowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Its a good question, but I think there are other reasons behind it. We know Lebanon has received several transport aircraft worth of military supplies from the United States to help the Lebanese army in their good work.

So basically, in this scenario, the Lebanese government are 'ours', the good guys; and, as ever, the Palestinians get the shit kicked out of them and that's ok, under the banner of the 'war on terrorism'. So the western media is just dancing to the same tune-caller, who this time instructs them not to look too closely at what is happening in Lebanon right now.

Certainly the media's handling of this is less than evenhanded. I do have a problem with suggestions the msm are anti-Israel though, quite the opposite I should say.


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kropotkin1951
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posted 29 May 2007 03:22 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sure I believe CANWEST which owns most of the MSM is anti-semitic and gives the Palestianins a free ride. [that was tongue in cheek]

I do see a bias in the coverage and the Nazi Post highlights it with

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become infested with Islamist suicide terrorists and guerilla fighters.
and you think the MSM is anti-Israel.

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Wade Tompkins
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posted 29 May 2007 03:35 PM      Profile for Wade Tompkins        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
and you think the MSM is anti-Israel.

You bet I do! The CBC, the Toronto Star, and the Globe and Mail/CTV are all virulently anti-semitic. The National Post and Global on the other hand present the Arab-Israeli conflict in a fair and ballanced manner, not demonizing one side or the other. As for the alternate press, like the Georgia Straight or Indymedia, very anti-semitic as well, but in a more totalitarian way.


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Slumberjack
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posted 29 May 2007 04:26 PM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Wade Tompkins:
You bet I do! The CBC, the Toronto Star, and the Globe and Mail/CTV are all virulently anti-semitic. The National Post and Global on the other hand present the Arab-Israeli conflict in a fair and ballanced manner, not demonizing one side or the other. As for the alternate press, like the Georgia Straight or Indymedia, very anti-semitic as well, but in a more totalitarian way.

The National Post and Global are the same entity, both owned by the Asper family, who are Israeli-Canadian dual citizens. If you believe the other mainstream media sources are anti-semetic, you're going to be shocked if you get to stick around here.

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siren
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posted 29 May 2007 04:31 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Shocked, aghast, flabbergasted, speechless .... reduced to flouncing.

eta. Nice spin by the National Pest writer:

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Last week, the Lebanese army attacked a squalid Palestinian refugee camp that's become infested with Islamist suicide terrorists and guerilla fighters.

Suicider Islamofascists attack dirty Palestinian camp! Nice. And they spelled "guerrilla" incorrectly.

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Michelle
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posted 29 May 2007 04:34 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wade, if you're labelling the CBC as "virulently antisemitic" you're probably not going to get along very well here. I'll just pre-empt any problems by telling you now - if you start to ride that hobby horse about this site or any of the participants on it, you'll find your stay is short here. Just so you know.
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posted 29 May 2007 04:51 PM      Profile for bohajal   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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The CBC, the Toronto Star, and the Globe and Mail/CTV are all virulently anti-semitic. The National Post and Global on the other hand present the Arab-Israeli conflict in a fair and ballanced manner, not demonizing one side or the other. As for the alternate press, like the Georgia Straight or Indymedia, very anti-semitic as well, but in a more totalitarian way.

Perhaps if you provide us with a few quotations here and a few quotations there, yout statements might earn some degree of credibility. But until then, they remain less credible than a "Two-Headed Snake Speaks Spanish" headline in "Globe".

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Wade Tompkins
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posted 29 May 2007 05:58 PM      Profile for Wade Tompkins        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by bohajal:

Perhaps if you provide us with a few quotations here and a few quotations there, yout statements might earn some degree of credibility.


Here ya go. See, I'm not the only one who thinks the CBC, Toronto Star, and CTV/Globe Media are anti-semitic.

National Post


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As they gathered in corridors and meeting rooms overlooking the skaters on the Rideau Canal, Jews expressed their concern that news coverage and editorial comment is increasingly hostile to Israel -- especially in the wake of the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah.

Is it true? Certainly, among many delegates, there were familiar and specific complaints about the treatment Israel receives at the hands of the CBC, and some commentators at the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail.


and this one

web page

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CBC Portrays Terrorist As Victim

September 6, 2006

Dear HonestReporting Canada subscriber:

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s largely one-sided portrayal of the Israel-Lebanon crisis continued on Monday, September 4, when CBC’s Beirut correspondent, Nahlah Ayed, sympathetically profiled the family of a cold-blooded terrorist.


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posted 29 May 2007 06:11 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't get it: is this title agreeing that something (anything!) untoward happened in Jenin? Because that would be a step forward.
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Slumberjack
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posted 29 May 2007 06:19 PM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Just seeing those Nazi Post links in red hurts the eyes. I'm thinking the outcry you asked about will be arriving soon.
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FabFabian
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posted 29 May 2007 06:21 PM      Profile for FabFabian        Edit/Delete Post
Quoting anything by that vile asshat Jonathan Kay was your first mistake.
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Wade Tompkins
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posted 29 May 2007 06:21 PM      Profile for Wade Tompkins        Edit/Delete Post
That's just it. They don't want you to think that nothing happened, when it's in their interest. When it's not in their interest, they that you don't believe that nothing may not have happened, then the gloves come off. Just watch.
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Slumberjack
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posted 29 May 2007 06:28 PM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Speaking of Nahlah Ayed, here's an interesting Q and A:

Nahlah Ayed Q and A on Lebanon


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laine lowe
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posted 29 May 2007 06:31 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well I don't think the following lets the Lebanese army or government off the hook. Oh and look, the US might be complicit as well! But I agree, it is an outrage that we're not on the streets protesting the cruel and horrendous situation faced by Palestinian refugees in Lebanon.

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Islamist militants entrenched in a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon are facing an ultimatum to surrender or face further military action. The Lebanese government accuses Fatah al-Islam of having ties with al-Qaeda and the Syrian government. Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh joins us to talk about another theory of who is backing the militant group - the Lebanese government itself, along with the United States. Last March, Hersh reported the U.S. and Saudi governments are covertly backing militant Sunni groups like Fatah al-Islam as part of an overarching foreign policy against Iran and growing Shia influence.

Seymour Hersh: US Indirectly Backed Islamist Militants


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ohara
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posted 30 May 2007 02:49 AM      Profile for ohara        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Slumberjack:
Just seeing those Nazi Post links in red hurts the eyes. I'm thinking the outcry you asked about will be arriving soon.
As much as I dislike the National Post, in my view calling it the "Nazi Post" is highly offensive. Why this constant need for "Nazi" analogies? Is it any wonder that groups like the CJC get pissed at blogs and commentators who use such perverse and stupid comparisions?

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Michelle
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posted 30 May 2007 03:41 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I actually haven't been following this story that much. Are there any threads on babble about it where we might get some real information?
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Michelle
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posted 30 May 2007 03:44 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ah yes, here's one.

Here's a tip, Wade, since you're a newbie. Don't start duplicate threads on the same subject. It's very easy to find other threads on the same topic - it took me about five seconds glancing through the other thread topics in this section of the board to find it.

I know that's not as much fun as starting a right-wing trolling post in order to piss everyone off, but I'm sure you'll get along somehow.


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