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Noah_Scape
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posted 22 October 2008 03:48 PM      Profile for Noah_Scape     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sure, it is over now, but maybe this is the only time we can look back and see what issues were not discussed in the Federal Election campaign by the media, and by the candidates of course.

For one thing, all those "anybody but Harper" folks could have made hay by bringing up the SPP gig. Becoming part of the USA is a huge deal to most Canadians.

Global Warming was mentioned, definately a big part of the Liberal platform [green shift], but how about the federal resistance to ELECTRIC CARS?
I am surprised that Liz May and the Greens didn't try harder to make climate change a scarier thing in their campaign.

And, once again, NOBODY dared question the war on terror, or it's original impetus of the curious day we call 9/11. Canada is, after all, spending big bucks fighting in Afghanistan due to that day. Perhaps it would be too radical to even question the official version of 9/11 [which says something about conformity].

Any other missed issues?


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M. Spector
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posted 22 October 2008 03:51 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I addressed that HERE.
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M. Spector
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posted 23 October 2008 12:10 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Is the fact that these issues were left out of the debate a reflection of the disinterest of the population in human rights, or is it a symptom of our political leaders' unhealthy reliance on briefing notes, as evidenced by the carefully repeated and simplistic marketing messages that they regurgitate to us with monotonous precision?
Monia Mazigh

[ 25 October 2008: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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Tommy_Paine
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posted 23 October 2008 02:40 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
In a 544-page report made public yesterday, retired Supreme Court justice Frank Iacobucci said the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and the Department of Foreign Affairs collectively failed the men: Arab-Canadians Abdullah Almalki, Ahmad El-Maati and Muayyad Nureddin.

Ottawa Citizen

Nicely timed for after the election. Nice going, Iaccobucci.

But even if it was released during the election, I doubt it would have made much impact. The torture of Arar, Almalki, El-Maati and Nurreddin by the RCMP and CSIS by proxy is not something that Canadians are too upset by.

I think much has to do with the fact that the fellow citizens of these gentlemen don't see them as fellow citizens. Obviously, racism plays the majority role here. And a mix of "they wouldn't do that to me" and "Well, they (the authorities) must have had a reason...." and there you have it.

But, I think it is also something deep rooted in Canadian culture. I think we are a people impossible to outrage.

I do not want to contemplate what it would take to outrage my fellow citizens.


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remind
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posted 23 October 2008 03:21 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
Nicely timed for after the election. Nice going, Iaccobucci.
Ya, I watched the news conference last evening on this. And thought much the same thing myself. And I agree that it would sadly not have become a campaign issue anyway for most Canadians. And IMV toopart of the reason why not has to do with racism.

Far too many times I have heard comments like; "they moved to Canada to get away from their country of origin, what are they doing back there then" or "they can't bring their country of origin's problem here". Failing of course to see, even when pointed out, that "white Canadians" visit their or their ancestors country of origin too.

quote:
I do not want to contemplate what it would take to outrage my fellow citizens.
different things outrage different people.

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sudu
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posted 24 October 2008 02:52 PM      Profile for sudu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Back to the SPP - I completely agree that the lack of media attention given to such a hugely significant potential (for utter disaster, in my opinion) is disturbing. There is information out there - lots of it - and yet this issue is unknown to a large number (even the majority) of Canadians. I have explained the SPP to many unbelieving people myself. They just don't think something this huge is being carried out and executed in total secrecy. The really sad part is a lot of people I have spoken with really don't care and don't bother to follow up by educating themselves.

Mass media ignores the SPP for their reasons I'm sure, but are other politicians told to shut up about it too? Thank goodness for Maude Barlowe, without her and the brave souls like we'd all be in the dark.


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contrarianna
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posted 27 October 2008 10:07 AM      Profile for contrarianna     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Welcome Sudu,
Good post, but i think you have answered your own question--from your own experience of discussing this issue with others--on why most politicians and parties, even those who may be sympathetic to this most crucial of issues, do not much run with it.
The issue appears complex and abstract(compared with the cost of automated teller fees) and requires education of the electorate.
The corporate media is the main interpreter and amplifier of party messages and you can be sure this issue would be distorted and mocked by it.
Canadian sovereignty, when raised as an issue (and exploited by parties) is usually portrayed only as simple physical ownership (eg Arctic sovereignty).

[ 27 October 2008: Message edited by: contrarianna ]


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Fidel
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posted 27 October 2008 02:04 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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Associated with SPP is TILMA, which British Columbia's Liberal premier Gordon Campbell and Alberta's Conservative premier Ed Stelmach have already signed and which Stephen Harper and Trade Minister Maxime Bernier are promoting to other provinces. The SPP came to light because activists started to dig into TILMA, which came into effect on April 1 of this year. TILMA seems to have been a provincial intiative, signed by Ralph Klein and Gordon Campbell, but the federal Conservatives now are promoting it to other provinces."

According to the Council of Canadians, it "allows corporations and individuals to sue provincial governments for any provincial or municipal government measure that they feel 'restricts or impairs' their investment (ie their profits). Under TILMA, even measures designed to protect the environment and public health are vulnerable to attack from corporate lawsuits with compensation penalties as high as $5 million."



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Noah_Scape
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posted 28 October 2008 09:50 AM      Profile for Noah_Scape     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the replies.

There were a lot of missed election issues - Human rights, SPP and TILMA, Torture, Drug Laws, + "160+ things".

Seeing Premier Campbell in these replies reminded me of FISH FARMS - supposedly a Federal juristiction, and a serious matter to those of use who would vote for Salmon rather than any of the frontrunners.

And election reform - nobody wants to reform a system where half of us don't vote because we have no faith in the electoral system? Or where the Greens get 9.6% of the vote and don't get one seat [but the Bloc gets 50 seats with 10% of the vote].

Big picture: So, it wasn't just me, that election was a bunch of fluff. It looked like an attempt to say "things are fine here in Canada, go ahead and return Harper". I puke on all the non-Conservative candidates for allowing that to happen!!

I am most disappointed in Liz May who was so focused on appearing to be a mainstream candidate that she/the greens didn't say anything controversial.


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contrarianna
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posted 28 October 2008 10:38 AM      Profile for contrarianna     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The neo-Liberal Campbell's disgusting role in fish farms, TILMA--and many other issues--gives his Con brother Klein a run for most desructive Premier award.
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Noah_Scape
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posted 31 October 2008 12:53 PM      Profile for Noah_Scape     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, here is one - an election issue that was missed during the campaign, and that was actually REPRESSED by the conservatives:
"Heroin study shows postive results".

These results were released on about Oct 17th 2008, and barely reported on the back pages of a few newspapers - I saw it in the Vanouver Sun. There are a few websites that reported it too - links below.

The War on Drugs, which is massively unpopular with Canadians, took a big hit on it's premise that "illegal drugs and users must be stopped". It hasn't worked so far, and every time the Drug Warriors step it up, the results are that more drugs and more users exist.

So, the heroin study:
Naomi is a group that GAVE about 100 users in big cities of Canada the Heroin that they take, and just watched to see how these users did.

They did well. They didn't commit crime, they didn't even supplement the amount given to them with street supply, they got HEALTHIER, and many of them started jobs and are no longer homeless.

I want to start a new thread to have this discussion about the War on Drugs and prescribed heroin in another forum, but for here I just want to point out that it was a really juicy issue that could have been helped along with some healthy discussion during the election campaign. I fart on all the parties for not bringing it up, and the media for not bringin it up [perhaps the Marijuana party TRIED to bring it up?]

Links:
Naomi main page - link to the study results


Typical Web release of study results


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