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Topic: Taiwan and Quebec
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tostig
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posted 03 February 2007 07:05 PM
You know the standard argument. Canada can't get into the discussion with China about Taiwan because China will draw the parallel about Quebec.But hold on.
Since the Chinese civil war when the Communists defeated the Nationalists who fled to Taiwan, the Taiwanese have been acting on the international stage as a sovereign state. While mainland China had closed itself internationally (until Deng Xiao Ping opened its doors), Taiwan had its own economic policies, armed forces, and own system of government. In short, without any interference or influence from mainland China for over 50 years, Taiwan has acted as its own state. Compare this with Quebec in which all international representation and policies are under the umbrella of Canada. Quebec does not have its own armed forces, and its economic and trade polices are in context of the other provinces. And most importantly, it rejected independance (or sovereignty) in all of its two referendums (or referenda) in which the Canadian government would likely honour if the "yes" side won.
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Boom Boom
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posted 03 February 2007 08:44 PM
Taiwan Relations Act(6) to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan.
(c) Nothing contained in this Act shall contravene the interest of the United States in human rights, especially with respect to the human rights of all the approximately eighteen million inhabitants of Taiwan. The preservation and enhancement of the human rights of all the people on Taiwan are hereby reaffirmed as objectives of the United States.
IMPLEMENTATION OF UNITED STATES POLICY WITH REGARD TO TAIWAN SEC. 3. (a) In furtherance of the policy set forth in section 2 of this Act, the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability. (b) The President and the Congress shall determine the nature and quantity of such defense articles and services based solely upon their judgment of the needs of Taiwan, in accordance with procedures established by law. Such determination of Taiwan's defense needs shall include review by United States military authorities in connection with recommendations to the President and the Congress. (c) The President is directed to inform the Congress promptly of any threat to the security or the social or economic system of the people on Taiwan and any danger to the interests of the United States arising therefrom. The President and the Congress shall determine, in accordance with constitutional processes, appropriate action by the United States in response to any such danger.
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tostig
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posted 04 February 2007 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
so what?Should China decide it wants to annex Taiwan, nobody will stop them - it's called the survival instinct.
so....this is a discussion forum. Was I supposed to obtain permission to post an opinion? I suppose you can reply "so what?" to every topic then. Boomboom: You post appears to be the American perspective on Taiwan, only. How does it make the comparison between Quebec and Taiwan?
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tostig
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posted 04 February 2007 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Boom Boom:
Personally, no, but that's their position, according to the link I posted.
Why am I not surprised as this has always been their position? But the discussion is being diverted to US/Taiwan. How about Canada/Taiwan? I think Canada has been a little too wimpy in defending our position on Quebec and on Taiwan-independance. And I don't think there is any contadiction unless my opening arguments are totally out-of-whack - which nobody has intelligently address thus far. If Canada openly makes these same statements it would not only engage in discussions with China but also send a clear signal to Quebec separatists that Separation has been rejected.
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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 04 February 2007 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by edgewaters72:
The situations are completely incomparable - it's apples and oranges.For starters, Taiwan has never claimed independance from China.
Well, this does not indicate any difference, since Quebec has never claimed independence from Canada. quote:
Originally posted by edgewaters72:
Taiwan claims it is China - the Republic of China, R.O.C.
Yes, this is certainly a difference. But the idea of de jure independence is gaining in popularity. This article has some poll results (which are sometimes conflicting). It is important to note that some people in Taiwan might favour independence, yet might simultaneously prefer the Taiwanese government not to declare independence for fear of a war with the P.R.C.
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