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Sven
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posted 30 January 2008 05:18 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...according to CNN...
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josh
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posted 30 January 2008 05:20 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/01/30/edwards_drops_bid.html

Sucks.


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aka Mycroft
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posted 30 January 2008 06:19 AM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Probably the most left-wing - well, liberal anyway, of the candidates.

So who does this help more? Clinton or Obama?


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Stockholm
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posted 30 January 2008 06:25 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hard to say who it helps. On the surface you might think that it helps Obama - but Edwards tends to attract votes from downscale white voters who are the same demographic that Clinton appeals to.
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josh
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posted 30 January 2008 06:38 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Depnds on what region of the country you're talking about. It helps Clinton in the south and Obama in the north.
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Michelle
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posted 30 January 2008 06:41 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow. Well, not unexpected, I guess. My condolences, josh.

I heard on the news today that Giuliani will probably drop out in the next day or two as well.

[ 30 January 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 30 January 2008 08:04 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The field usually narrows down after the first few primaries. I very much doubt either Clinton or Obama will be the others VP choice.

As for the Repugs, same thing: neither McCain nor Romney can stand the other, so it's unlikely either will take a VP slot if they lose the nomination. Giuliani is supposed to endorse McCain today, but that doesn't mean he'll be McCain's VP, does it?


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Boom Boom
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posted 30 January 2008 08:58 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A friend in the US informs me there's talk that Edwards might be Attorney General in an Obama administration.
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RosaL
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posted 30 January 2008 09:02 AM      Profile for RosaL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
A friend in the US informs me there's talk that Edwards might be Attorney General in an Obama administration.

Well, that's what CNN said this morning ....


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josh
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posted 30 January 2008 09:03 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Guliani won't be anyone's VP. And, yes, McCain detests Romney.

Edwards for AG has been bandied about. But Obama is a long way from getting there.


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Indiana Jones
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posted 30 January 2008 10:17 AM      Profile for Indiana Jones        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Edwards getting out probably helps Clinton more. I saw a poll showing that among his supporters, twice as many have Clinton as tehir second choice as have Obama. He tends to appeal to the same demographic of working class and lower middle class voters. It sort of surprises me actually. Both he and Obama seem more like the "change" candidates whereas Clinton is the "experience" candidate. i figured more of his support would go to Obama, but I guess we'll see how it plays out. With so many southern states voting on Super Tuesday, it could make things interesting.

Overall, while his campaign never really got off the ground, he deserves credit for raising important issues and forcing the two main candidates to address them. I also became a big fan of his wife, Elizabeth, and certainly hope that she'll pull through this very tough time.

On the GOP side, what I've heard is that Rudy will stay in the race jsut so he can be in the debate tonight on CNN and agree with mcCain and attack Romney, then drop out tomorrow and endorse mcCain.


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josh
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posted 30 January 2008 10:36 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, word is Ghouliani, and his two delegates, will drop out before the debate and endorse McCain.
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wage zombie
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posted 30 January 2008 11:12 AM      Profile for wage zombie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is unfortunate. Edwards was pulling the debate left and keeping it clean. I wish he could've stayed in until Super Tuesday.

I think it probably helps Clinton, unless Edwards were to endorse Obama. Obama needs to win the debate tomorrow or Clinton wraps things up next week. It's tough to say.


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ghoris
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posted 30 January 2008 11:16 AM      Profile for ghoris     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't find a link, but I believe I heard on CNN this morning that he's not planning to endorse anyone, at least, for now.
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josh
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posted 30 January 2008 11:19 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, this is true. But, of course, "now" might not last that long.
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ghoris
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posted 30 January 2008 12:52 PM      Profile for ghoris     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if anyone's done any serious polling on who Edwards voters' second choice is? (Of course, they'll be polling like mad now.)

The other question will be, even if Edwards endorses someone, how much sway will that have over his voters?


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LemonThriller
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posted 30 January 2008 01:58 PM      Profile for LemonThriller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't see Edwards endorsing Clinton, after having seen some of the debates and the tension between the two. I hope Edwards endorses Obama though -- he needs the boost according to most polls.
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posted 30 January 2008 02:15 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just caught a few minutes of discussion on CNN before I changed the channel and heard: a) Edwards is going to hold off endorsing anyone until he sees who carries his program of allieviating poverty in America best; and b) blowhard Lou Dobbs believes Edward's move will benefit Clinton, because Clinton is more "pro-labour" than Obama, and labour was Edward's constituency.
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mary123
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posted 30 January 2008 07:41 PM      Profile for mary123     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good article on the loss of Edwards in this campaign.

quote:
America just lost its best and brightest hope for real change when John Edwards gave up the presidential ghost. Edwards did something that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and certainly none of the Republicans would dream of doing. He made poverty no longer a dirty word in the mouths of many, and that included Clinton and Obama, for a minute anyway.

But Edwards didn't stop there. He relentlessly pushed the envelope on America's next greatest crime and sin, the absolute refusal of the nation to provide decent health care for more than fifty million persons no matter whether poor, working class, middle class and even some with a few bucks to spare. He didn't stop even there.

He hammered corporate and special interests for their shameless and unabashed pillage, loot, and rape of American consumers.


Edwards


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Malcolm
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posted 30 January 2008 07:57 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
neither McCain nor Romney can stand the other, so it's unlikely either will take a VP slot if they lose the nomination. Giuliani is supposed to endorse McCain today, but that doesn't mean he'll be McCain's VP, does it?


As I've said elsewhere regarding the Democrats, personal animosity has pretty much nothing to do with the choice of running mates. Kennedy and Johnson loathed each other. Reagan never thought much of Bush 41.

Again, the issue is balanced. And the counterweight that either McCain or Romney would need is not to be gotten from the other - nor from Giuliani.

The last five candidates in the Republican race (McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Paul and the now departed Giuliani) all have the same problem. Every one of them, on one point or another, departs or has previously departed from the received Republican orthodoxy. McCain on immigration, campaign finance and aspects of tax cuts; Romney, historically, on social issues; Huckabee on immigration and on social spending; Paul on foreign policy and the Iraq war; Giuliani on immigration and social issues. Plus, apart from Huckabee, they are all suspicious to the religious Republican base of socially conservative evangelicals.

The balance they need is a running mate who reassures the red meat Republican base that the ticket is sound. To some degree, Huckabee balances a lot of the specific weaknesses of either of the front runners. But a better choice might be someone like Fred Thompson - though perhaps not Fred Thompson himself.


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