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Wilf Day
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posted 01 March 2006 12:30 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kimberley Kim and Cheryl Everall are terrified.
CBC have correspondents talking about the incompetent and corrupt police force in Cancun.

Tourism folks in Cancun are not happy.

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Two single mothers who left for a vacation at a luxurious Mexican resort and returned to their hometown a week later as suspects in a brutal murder have come forward to try to clear their names.

Mexican authorities and the tabloid press have variously described these women as contract killers, with large, man-like builds, strong and bulky.

Both women are slight in appearance and attractive.

They're both active in their church, have strong family connections to their communities, and both are mothers to two young children.

Kimberly Kim and Cheryl Everall, both tanned from their vacation but looking anxious at being under intense scrutiny by authorities and the media, avowed their innocence in the killings of a Woodbridge, Ont., couple whose throats were slashed while they stayed at the same resort on the Mayan Riviera.

"Our biggest concern is being charged with something we have absolutely nothing to do with. We can't even fathom how a finger has been pointed at us," Everall said as Kim, her close friend, sat beside her in their lawyer's office.

The two women - who are in their early 30s and have been friends for a decade, since they attended Lakehead University - say their ordeal since leaving Mexico a week ago has been devastating and life-altering.



I bet. In fact, I can't really plumb the full depths of how devastating this must be for them. Someone gets murdered across the hall, 10 rent-a-cops trail blood out of the room, and you're accused because a trail of blood leads to your door.

Never mind that one is a few months away from finishing her medical degree, and the other is Long Term Care Program Coordinator at Hospice Northwest.

(Thread drift: who would name their daughter Kimberly Kim?)


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pookie
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posted 01 March 2006 02:29 PM      Profile for pookie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[Edited because I see that Kim is not married]

Back from thread drift; the story is very disturbing. It's also sad how the focus has (perhaps inevitably) shifted entirely from the tradegy of a couple brutally murdered while attending their daughter's wedding. I can't imagine what's she's going through.

Are there travel advisories for Canadians travelling to this area? Seems to me that could be a pressure point to apply to the Mexican government.

[ 01 March 2006: Message edited by: pookie ]


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 01 March 2006 02:46 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
In fact, I can't really plumb the full depths of how devastating this must be for them.

Indeed. There was once a murder in the building where I lived. Nowhere near my apartment, no connection to the victim and I was out at a wedding while it happened so I had an iron-clad alibi... but even being casually questioned about these things by a very polite police officer before being allowed to enter one's home is scary. It's murder, after all, and we all want to be as far away as possible.


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Cueball
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posted 01 March 2006 03:00 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Mexican authorities and the tabloid press have variously described these women as contract killers, with large, man-like builds, strong and bulky.

Both women are slight in appearance and attractive.


Got to love how "large, manlike builds," is juxtaposed against "slight in appearance and attractive.

No stereotyping going on here folks. Never mind the fact that most Mexican men probably don't exceed the height of large Canadian women, and that they would appear large in contrast.


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skdadl
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posted 01 March 2006 03:20 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Och, Cueball. I'm a feminist, and I am willing to say that these two women are notably handsome. How is that? They are. They don't look like thugs or bruisers. It seems to me that the sexism - plus a lot of other things - derives from the original police description.

I quite understand why Foreign Affairs is being discreet in public at the moment, but I really hope that they have promised these women all the protection they need in private.

There is too much testimony already about a contaminated crime scene. Other guests walked through the scene early enough to see a body, for Pete's sake.


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Cueball
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posted 01 March 2006 03:37 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It reads to me like women can't be "large and man-like" to be attractive as an adjutant to "slieght." And sure in all likelyhood the originally quoted writers were sexist, but that does not change the reality that most Mexican men do not match the proportion of the Nordic queens we have up here, so "large and man-like" could very well be innoncent, as percieved through Mexian eyes.

I also don't find them that attractive. I am not even sure if I am talking about "sexism" per se, but stereotyping generally.

[ 01 March 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]


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jeff house
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posted 01 March 2006 03:53 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The truth is that the Extradition Act was gutted a few years ago, so that almost nothing is required for any Canadian to be extradited to almost anywhere.

It used to be that witnesses had to be called to justify extradition.

Now, the Extradition Court gets a summary of the evidence, plus a statement that the evidence is sufficent to justify having a trial in the country seeking Extradition.

Once they have shipped documents to the Court here, the judge has no discretion whether or not to issue an Extradition order.

One can always ask the Minister of Justice to stop the extradition. It is very rare that they do that, since it involves "international comity".
It may be that this case will be sufficiently egregious that they will not send the women to Mexico. But the normal Joe who does not have solid press coverage gets removed for a "fair trial" in Mexico, or whereever.


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lagatta
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posted 01 March 2006 03:59 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the specifics, jeff. This case has been really bothering me. An uncle of mine was accused of a serious (non-violent) crime a couple of decades ago - he managed to clear his name, but was dragged through hell in the meantime, and it had dire effects on his health.

The original description also reeked of homophobia - the description seemed to be code for the fact that the two friends were a couple of "butchy" lesbians - and it fed into all the b-movie stereotypes about violent butches.


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Rufus Polson
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posted 01 March 2006 08:11 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
that does not change the reality that most Mexican men do not match the proportion of the Nordic queens we have up here

Nordic queens? Are we talking about the Swedish drag community here, or what?


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brebis noire
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posted 01 March 2006 08:46 PM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
The truth is that the Extradition Act was gutted a few years ago, so that almost nothing is required for any Canadian to be extradited to almost anywhere.


A few years ago - as in post 9/11? It would be neat, in a rather bad way, if it took a case like this to highlight the fact that Canadians are at risk of being extradited so easily. I think the public would see this in a novel way if this happens to obviously unpotential terrorists, non-drug-dealing youths and 'average Canadians'.


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Sineed
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posted 01 March 2006 09:03 PM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You would think the Sampson and Arar cases would outrage more Canadians, or at least scare us into never travelling, considering how little our government advocates on our behalf when things go wrong.

And why was there an embalming, with everybody involved knowing it would destroy evidence? I would think the family wanted that; do the police order embalming?


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pookie
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posted 01 March 2006 09:36 PM      Profile for pookie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sineed:

And why was there an embalming, with everybody involved knowing it would destroy evidence? I would think the family wanted that; do the police order embalming?



I wondered the same thing. I read in today's paper that it was required in order to get the bodies on the plane.


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