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Dr Gas
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posted 25 August 2003 11:13 PM      Profile for Dr Gas        Edit/Delete Post
How could have this been avoided.

http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/6569770.htm

[ 28 August 2003: Message edited by: audra estrones ]


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clersal
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posted 26 August 2003 12:02 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah that is a bad story. I dunno. I think that looking back on certain events we see the link but the here and now.......? Relationships can be very damaging.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 26 August 2003 01:02 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I guess for starters she could have not killed the baby.
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Foxer
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posted 26 August 2003 04:30 AM      Profile for Foxer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I dunno. Maybe we just have to accept that this sort of thing will happen from time to time. Women have been killing their children for a whooole lotta years. Men too for that matter. And it's unlikely that you're going to stop it all the time. Any more than you'll stop most of the other crimes that are committed.

I suppose manditory coucelling and psyche profiles for people accused of crimes or in high stress situations that are known to lead to this sort of thing, to determine if they're a threat to their family. Maybe we should have spent the 2 bil from the gun registry on something like that.

But really - how are you going to stop it without violating rights?


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 26 August 2003 10:35 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Women have been killing their children for a whooole lotta years. Men too for that matter.

But look at the typical reaction in each case:

Woman gets pissed that boyfriend left her. Boyfriend is found murdered, woman kills infant, commits suicide.

reaction: "She must have really been hurting. I can hardly imagine what she must have been going through to do something like that. I hope there's peace for her and her little one in a better place"

or

Man gets pissed that girlfriend left her. Girlfriend is found murdered, man kills infant, commits suicide

reaction: "That cowardly, misogynistic, controlling fuck! If he can't have her, nobody can, eh? And then he kills the baby just for spite! He deserves to burn in hell"


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Timebandit
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posted 26 August 2003 10:47 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That's not the reaction I had. I think there had to be a serious screw loose for her to do that to her child. And about the boyfriend... I don't know. The article is pretty sketchy.

Women are not immune to being controlling psychos, and I don't think anybody has implied that they are.


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paxamillion
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posted 26 August 2003 10:56 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I find the whole thing very sad.
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Dr Gas
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posted 27 August 2003 10:20 PM      Profile for Dr Gas        Edit/Delete Post
U.S. authorities had warned Canadian officials. Are they at fault? She was out on bail.


http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2003/08/21/fCanada172.raw.html


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Foxer
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posted 27 August 2003 11:47 PM      Profile for Foxer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well therein lies the problem Dr Gas. Done what? One has to have a reason to lock them up here - if she hadn't broken the law or actually been diagnosed as nuts NOW, then they weren't in much of a position to take the kid away or force her to do anything.

I'm not even sure they could have legally denied her bail. Our system is so screwed up.


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nonsuch
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posted 28 August 2003 12:54 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This kind of tragedy is at least as old as Jason and Medea.
Could it be prevented altogether? I don't think so.
Could it have been prevented this time? Maybe. But not by police or authorities, and not the day before it happened. Maybe, if the woman had had friends to talk to, when the relationship first began to go sour. Maybe, if she'd had good advice and alternatives. Maybe, if there had been family around to take the child. Sometimes, nobody can help.

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bevy
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posted 28 August 2003 12:01 PM      Profile for bevy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
While this is a very tragic story, I fail to see why it is posted in the feminist forum. Wouldn't the news forum be a better location?
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audra trower williams
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posted 28 August 2003 01:49 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
yep.
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