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CAIRNS, Australia (AP) — Steve Irwin, the hugely popular Australian television personality and conservationist known as the Crocodile Hunter, was killed Monday by a stingray while filming off the Great Barrier Reef. He was 44.

Irwin was at Batt Reef, off the remote coast of northeastern Queensland state, shooting a segment for a series called Ocean's Deadliest when he swam too close to one of the animals, which have a poisonous barb on their tails, his friend and colleague John Stainton said.

"He came on top of the stingray and the stingray's barb went up and into his chest and put a hole into his heart," said Stainton, who was on board Irwin's boat at the time.

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What a stupid bugger.

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Which we had already learned when he held his newborn son inches away from the mouth of a hungry croc. It's horrible for his family that his colossal stupidity and arrogance caused his demise.

I do send my condolences to his family, though.

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Originally posted by Sineed:
Come on, people. My kids are very upset about this. Steve may not have been on the Jacques Cousteau level of raising wildlife awareness, but he got my kids to see the beauty of some nasty creatures. He was a great showman, and funny as hell.

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I wonder if they got his last stunt on tape... Could be extremely educational, no?

On a more serious note, I strongly recommend the BBC series "Life On Earth", for kids and adults alike.

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What a way to get top ratings for the show while also driving home the point that these really are deadly critters!

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On a more serious note, I strongly recommend the BBC series "Life On Earth", for kids and adults alike.

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That's a great show; I watch that with my kids.

Steve Irwin did an awful lot of good in terms of educating the public about wild animals.

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I recall watching as many wild kingdom shows as were on TV while growing up, even a fictional series called "Sea Hunt" with Lloyd Bridges in I guess was the 1960s.

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Sea Hunt was FICTIONAL??!!?!

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No doubt about it, Irwin was a consumate entertainer. He knew how to put on a show and enjoying taking personal risks to do so. Who can complain about dying doing what one loves?

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Which we had already learned when he held his newborn son inches away from the mouth of a hungry croc. It's horrible for his family that his colossal stupidity and arrogance caused his demise.

I do send my condolences to his family, though.
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Then this am was playing cards on line, the Aussies were very distressed, and a Canadian man piped up with: "who cares about croc man, we have 5 dead soldiers who shouldn't be". Then another Canadian woman, no not me, piped up and said; "ya one of them in friendly fire, damn americans"

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Originally posted by Southlander:

I know it was silly, but don't exagerate about a dead guy, his son was held minimum of 5 feet from the croc, which was distracted by blood dripping meat held just above it's nose. ...
I assume Steve did not think it was dangerous.

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Well, why don't you judge for yourselves. Here it is on video, followed by his "modest" explanation:

Steve, his baby, and the crocodile

You have to click on the link just below his photo which reads: "Watch - Irwin with crocodiles".

By the way, most crocodiles can jump forward a distance equal to their body length, and several feet into the air. Watch the video and do the math.

I'm not much for TV, but he obviously had an enthusiasm for his work that most of us only dream of.

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Well, not all Australians are in mourning: 'That sort of self-delusion is what it takes to be a real Aussie larrikin'

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Brilliant! I love it. And how wonderful to hear from Germaine Greer again after all these years (my fault, I'm sure she has been active throughout, but my memories date from the 1960s).

Wikipedia is nothing if not up to the minute:

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In September 2006 Greer launched a scathing attack on recently deceased compatriot Steve Irwin, declaring "the animal world has finally taken its revenge". She also claimed in her column in the Guardian newspaper that the wildlife warrior displayed the "sort of self-delusion it takes to be a real Aussie larrikin". Her attack has been criticised by the Australian press, and by Irwin's numerous admirers as a distasteful and cruel display.

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From the Bangkok Post

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Australian wildlife documentary maker Steve Irwin's final act of ripping a stingray's jagged barb from his chest cut his chances of surviving the underwater wound, experts said Wednesday.

Irwin, 44, died Monday while snorkelling on the Great Barrier Reef when the serrated, venomous tip of a stingray's barb pierced his heart.

"The more you start pulling things around, the more damage you do to yourself," Queensland marine biologist Peter Fenner told The Australian newspaper. "That's against the basic principles and could well have made things worse."

An autopsy on the famed Crocodile Hunter showed the cause of death was the injury to his heart, inflicted by the 20-centimetre-long spike, but did not establish whether it was blood loss, a heart attack or organ damage that took the life of the khaki-clad showman and millionaire zookeeper.

Bryan Fry of Melbourne University's venom research unit concurred with Fenner's view that Irwin would have been better to leave the barb in place.

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Maybe it's just me, but if I got speared in the heart, I'd want it out ASAP too.

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Let's hope you read up on the subject before putting yourself in the kinds of situations Steve Irwin did.

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They are interesting to watch... Theres south american tourist resorts where you can jump in and play with the rays (they're pretty simplistic... If they hit something they can't swim over, they rise to get over top of it and right into your arms had you wanted)

I guess to clarify... It's very unlikely Irwin had a chance to ever see the stingray responsible. It was likely covered in sand and Irwin swam overtop of it. As Irwin himself proved several times, it's a complete reflex reaction by the stingray (touch it's back with anything and it's stinger slaps at what ever was ontop of it). Knees or legs dragging a bit behind him along the sand he hit the front of the Stingray while chest overtop of the tail. You know the rest of the story. As arbor puts it... Freak Accident.

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Not that you'd have the time or presence of mind to remember what you had "read up on", after you'd been stung in the heart by a stingray...

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I'm not saying Steve Irwin acting wrongly - I was just saying to Nanuq that Steve Irwin likely had more information on the matter going into the situation that Nanuq, you or I have.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ken Burch:
[QB]Ask your mum if she ever held you on her knee in the front seat of a car travelling on the open road. Did your parents ever drive drunk with you in the car? When I was a child neither of these things were illegal, not considered dangerous, and they were quite commen.

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Thanks.

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Fidel, could you please edit the quote you put in the above post so that it is clear that it is not MY quote, but actually something someone said in rebuttal to my quote?

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Originally posted by Ken Burch:
Which we had already learned when he held his newborn son inches away from the mouth of a hungry croc.

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I hold my newborn son inces away from being run over by traffic every day while I walk on sidewalks.

Lighten up dude.

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Yeah, Ken, lighten up. Steve Irwin was a serious professional who would never put himself or a family member at risk in the vicinity of wild animals.

There probably is not a single parent on the planet that has not done something that others [including themselves] would call stupid, careless, negligent or inappropriate when it comes to their children.

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There probably is not a single parent on the planet that has not done something that others [including themselves] would call stupid, careless, negligent or inappropriate when it comes to their children.

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Putting your child at risk for money and fame? That's what we're talking about here, otter, not some imperfect parent which we all are.

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Putting your child at risk for money and fame? That's what we're talking about here, otter, not some imperfect parent which we all are.

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Why is it excusable if you're drunk, or depressed, impressing your friends, or pissing of your parents, but not if your famous?

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Why is it excusable if you're drunk, or depressed, impressing your friends, or pissing of your parents, but not if your famous?

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It's never excusable. But if you're famous (and doing it to increase your fame and fortune), it is despicable and mercenary. No parent worthy of the name would do such a thing. To admire such a person is to lose a piece of decency that is difficult to restore.

For others, its a kind of Dissociative mental state whereby the individual is completely unable to perceive themselves in a like manner.

Then there are the rare few who just cannot imagine such an action. The politically correct term is pre-contemplative. It used to be ignorant. In either case, 'it just does not compute'.

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And I could turn this around and ask why YOU are spending so much time defending a reckless, reactionary jerk(and no, it isn't REALLY redundant to say he was also Australian)who happened to cause his own early death and the bereavement of his innocent family through his own stupidity?

Why not put a little more energy into, say, defending those who don't DESERVE to suffer?
Y'now, workers, the poor, gays and lesbians, people of color? Seems to me they're far more worthy of your sympathy than the Croc Teaser.

Meanwhile, the question is, how soon will Irwin be nominated for a Darwin Award?

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LOL!! Nice one, Ken. Saying it doesn't actually make it true. The guy has been judged left, right and centre on this thread, so why would you bother to deny it? Everyone else taking part seemed pretty much at ease with it.

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And I could turn this around and ask why YOU are spending so much time defending a reckless, reactionary jerk(and no, it isn't REALLY redundant to say he was also Australian)who happened to cause his own early death and the bereavement of his innocent family through his own stupidity?

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And "innocent" family? His wife--North American, so obviously somewhat more evolved--was a wildlife wrestler as well. How is she more "innocent"?

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Originally posted by Ken Burch:
Why not put a little more energy into, say, defending those who don't DESERVE to suffer?
Y'now, workers, the poor, gays and lesbians, people of color? Seems to me they're far more worthy of your sympathy than the Croc Teaser.

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And I'm curious: "those who don't DESERVE to suffer"? Who are these people? And who are the ones who do deserve it? And who is making that distinction? And so the conversation comes a full circle:

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We aren't really sitting in judgment of the guy [...]

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Originally posted by unionist:
I love children and animals. I have little respect for those who would profit from either. You may be different from me, and that's what makes a world.[/QB]

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Teachers, farmers, vets, circus workers, zoo staff, clothing manufacturers, TV writers, pet food maufacturers, dentists, toy makers, pediatritions, ........
You must live in a very small world.

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Yeah, it's a fairly small world called Earth, where we all need to look out for each other.

Some of the "professions" you mention (farmers, circus workers, zoo staff, toy makers, perhaps others) may individually, or on occasion, be guilty of exposing animals or children to unnecessary risk or abuse, often for profit. If they do, they are condemned and they deserve to be.

So on this interesting comparison you've made, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'll leave you with this thought:

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I love children and animals. I have little respect for those who would profit from either. You may be different from me, and that's what makes a world.

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Would that include unionized daycare workers?

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HA HA HA HA HA!!!Oh Ken, you just kill me! While people are suffering in the world, we can't pay any attention to anything else? Devoted your life entirely and without diversion solely to worthy causes? Don't own a TV or car or anything like that? Ever wept over a deceased relative or pet? Do you ever go to the movies and waste money that could be going to worthy causes? Or do you ever, perhaps, diddle around on discussion boards when you could be down at the local soup kitchen putting in the good work? For heaven's sake, Ken.
And I'm curious: "those who don't DESERVE to suffer"? Who are these people? And who are the ones who do deserve it? And who is making that distinction? And so the conversation comes a full circle:

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In response to your ever so sensitive questions, suzette.

1. Yes, I've mourned the deaths of my friends and relatives(including my own wife).
I grieve the loss of people I CARE about.
Not arrogant TV stars who think they can bend
the entire natural world to their own whims.

2. Yes, I've engaged in activities that weren't purely altruistic and devoted to the elimination of suffering. That's beside the point.
I wasn't saying nobody should ever engage in escapism. We all need that to stay sane.

My point was that the other poster was spending a great deal of time self-righteously denouncing people for mocking a reactionary anti-environmentalist idiot who should have known what to do and not to do around dangerous animals.

Steve Irwin, with his support of John Howard and George W. Bush, was an apologist for two of the most rabidly anti-environmentalist politicians in human history. He is responsible, in supporting them, for abetting the loss of endangered species around the planet and the imperiling of all life on earth through those leaders' refusal to admit that global warming is increased by human choices and corporate greed.

His family should be left to mourn in peace. I sympathize with them. Not with him.

Not sure why YOU are so torn up about the loss of someone who treated the world's animals as nothing more than sources of human enjoyment and personal profit.

You want to mourn the guy, fine, go ahead.

Meanwhile, thousands are being killed in Iraq as a result of the arrogant imperial intransigence of the men the Croc Hunter supported so robotically.
I choose to mourn them. I choose to CARE about them. Do you?

Steve Irwin...

"A true Aussie larrikin" indeed.

(btw, does "larrikin" mean "selfish asshole"?)

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Not sure why YOU are so torn up about the loss of someone who treated the world's animals as nothing more than sources of human enjoyment and personal profit.

You want to mourn the guy, fine, go ahead.

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As to his wife, yes she was also a "croc wrestler", but no, she didn't deserve to end up a widow as a result of her late husband's actions. And I haven't been the only person to call him reckless.

And I'd say that people who DON'T use animals for human entertainment and who DON'T support reactionary antienvironmental politicians whose policies make life much worse for animals AND human beings are much less deserving of suffering than those who do. Does THAT clarify it for you?

I haven't dodged anything.

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I responded directly to your points, suzette. Reread my post.

And I'd say that people who DON'T use animals for human entertainment and who DON'T support reactionary antienvironmental politicians whose policies make life much worse for animals AND human beings are much less deserving of suffering than those who do. Does THAT clarify it for you?

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But he did do a lot of positive work for animals, and I'm no expert but I think the balance is in the animals' favour. Assuming animals act stressed if not happy, no signs of stress at Aust zoo, so I'm happy.
Should famous people speak politically? Yes. Does it influence my opinion of them or the politics? I'm open to listening, but I don't think anyone can talk me into liking Bush!

I guess I find it hard to see Irwin as any sort of a figure deserving of anyone's grief(other than his family's, of course).

And no, I don't think he actually deserved to DIE. I suppose I'd say I don't see it as any truly great loss, considering the effect on the world he had in my view.

And at some level it seemed to be kind of a cosmic response on the hubris with which he did his work.

Enough said.

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Dead stingrays with their tails cut off have been found in Australia, sparking concern that fans of naturalist Steve Irwin may be avenging his death.

Mr Irwin, a TV personality know as the "Crocodile Hunter", was killed while diving in Queensland when a stingray's barb stabbed him in the chest.

Since then, 10 stingrays have been found mutilated on Queensland beaches.

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Government officials said they were investigating the deaths and there could be prosecutions.

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“It comes as no shock at all that Steve Irwin should die provoking a dangerous animal,” PETA’s Dan Mathews tells The Scoop. “He made a career out of antagonizing frightened wild animals, which is a very dangerous message to send to kids.”

Does Irwin’s career as a naturalist impress the animal-rights group? Says Mathews: “If you compare him with a responsible conservationist like Jacques Cousteau, he looks like a cheap reality TV star.”

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Surely you can do better than that:

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BINDI Irwin is set to release a fitness DVD.

The 50-minute program marks Bindi's song and dance debut and features a cooking segment with her late father, Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin.

Irwin's manager, John Stainton, said the DVD, shot this year, is due for a Christmas release.

"Steve is in the show, but Bindi is leading the way," Stainton said. "She performs 10 songs. She sings and dances and she's really good. [...]

The fitness DVD is the start of a Bindi Irwin juggernaut set to make her a global superstar within the next year.

She has shot seven of 26 episodes of her wildlife series Bindi The Jungle Girl, which will screen on the US Discovery Channel and a local network.

Stainton rejected criticism the eight-year-old is doing too much too soon after her father's death. [...]

"It's not too soon for Bindi. There is no pressure on her to do anything. If she wants to be a nurse tomorrow, she can be.

"Bindi does it because she loves it."

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The last remaining footage of Australian "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin's deadly encounter with a stingray has been destroyed, says his widow.[...]

Terri Irwin and Bindi [note: 8 years old!] have been in the U.S. promoting Bindi's upcoming wildlife series Bindi, The Jungle Girl.

She has been giving interviews and fending off criticism that her parents have pushed her into show business, saying that she's doing it in memory of her father.

"I want to make him the proudest dad to have me and I want to show everybody, and nearly be as good as him because he was the best,'' Bindi said on CNN this week, also pointing out that she had already been scheduled to accompany him on a tour of the U.S.

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Heartwarming! Crocodile Hunter's 8-year-old daughter carries on dead Dad's money-making exploitative legacy:

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What has Steve Irwin exploited?

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Animals and both his children at various times. To make $$$$$$$.

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Heartwarming! Crocodile Hunter's 8-year-old daughter carries on dead Dad's money-making exploitative legacy:
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Animals and both his children at various times. To make $$$$$$$.

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I have done some casual searching, and have not found Steve to be guilty of anything more than grandstanding. Hardly "exploitive".

On the other hand, Steve has done a great deal for conservation awareness, and has used his money to buy massive tracts of land for nature preserves on several continents.

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What has Steve Irwin exploited?

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I have done some casual searching, and have not found Steve to be guilty of anything more than grandstanding. Hardly "exploitive".

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He bothered, provoked, and used animals. He inspired the worst, lowest anti-animal instincts in others. And he exploited his own children and exposed them to danger.

"Even if I get eaten by a shark or a croc", Irwin wanted to be filmed

Irwin wanted to die on film

Stingrays mutilated in wake of Irwin's death

Video of Steve dangling his infant son in front of hungry crocodile

Irwin "made a career out of antagonizing frightened wild animals" - PETA

I don't really care how nicely he gave away his money for good causes. He made that money by disrespecting animals; unnecessarily courting danger for himself (don't care too much about that, as he didn't either), many animals, and children; appealing to low savage sentiments (that's how he became a multi-millionaire); and imbuing people with a view of animals that (in my opinion) is deeply offensive, as playthings for human titillation.

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Stingrays mutilated in wake of Irwin's death

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is his legacy, if THIS is what his fans "learned" about wildlife and conservation at the end of the day, then doesn't it suggest that maybe "the message" he was putting out was a little distorted?

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[...] maybe "the message" he was putting out was a little distorted?

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I'd like to ask how Steve Irwin's dangling of his baby in front of a crocodile is any less acceptable that Michael Jackson dangling his baby off a balcony. One answer: it isn't.

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Interesting analogy, Stargazer. Reminded me of this:

Manager orders Bindi Irwin to deny exploitation claims

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Steve Irwin's daughter Bindi has made a series of carefully stage-managed media appearances to refute claims she is being manipulated. "Dad's manager told me to tell you that I'm totally in control," Bindi said at a live press conference, now also available on DVD. "And I really want to get those toys he promised me." [...]

Since her father's death, Crocodile Hunter director John Stainton has become Bindi's chief male role model. "John's like a father to me", she told Australian Story recently. "Like Michael Jackson's father."

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Seperatly, are you realy blaming him cos some idiots killed some stingrays? After 9/11 some idiots killed some Arabs, do you blaim the people dead in 9/11?

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She is riding the creast of a wave, and making loads of money. This may be her only chance to catch the wave. Who are you to deny her?

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Interesting analogy, Stargazer. Reminded me of this:

"Manager orders Bindi Irwin to deny exploitation claims"...
[QB][/QB]

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He bothered, provoked, and used animals. He inspired the worst, lowest anti-animal instincts in others. And he exploited his own children and exposed them to danger.

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Seperatly, are you realy blaming him cos some idiots killed some stingrays? After 9/11 some idiots killed some Arabs, do you blaim the people dead in 9/11?

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You know that's a satire site, right?

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Bindi Irwin, the daughter of Australian naturalist Steve Irwin, is not being pressured into the spotlight, according to the family's manager, John Stainton.

The eight-year-old is travelling to the US this week, ahead of the launch of her TV series Bindi, The Jungle Girl.

She will appear on several talk shows, perform with children's entertainers The Wiggles and attend a gala dinner with Russell Crowe and Naomi Watts.

But Mr Stainton said Irwin was able to cancel commitments at short notice.

"My criteria is if Bindi doesn't want to do it that day, if she wants to go to the zoo or the beach, then that's what we're doing," he told ABC radio in Australia.

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Really? Show me where you see that in this thread. Who said that?

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My reasoning was that many other people make money out of hurting animals, eg framers mulse sheep, farmers and vets amputate tails for cosmetic and cleanliness reasons (farmers don't use painkillers), and most people with animls mess with their sexuality. No one is hanging it on them, and there are thousands of them.

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Indeed. John Howard, Steve Irwin's biggest fan, ensures kids are well looked after.

Culture of fear and silence in the rag trade

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An estimated 70,000 Australian children as young as eight have been caught up in a shift to outworking in the garment industry, the Textile Clothing and Footwear Union (TCFU) says.

They are toiling in backyard sweatshops under Third World conditions or working alongside their newly arrived migrant parents in the family home.

The union says the problem is hidden behind a wall of fear and silence caused by a combination of poor language skills, blackmail and a lack of understanding of workers' rights.

Child garment workers risk injuries and diseases ranging from skeletal malformations and asthma to byssinosis, a potentially fatal lung disease caused by breathing cotton fibres. ...

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A picture of the stingray that killed Steve Irwin.

(ed to give thanks to myconfinedspace.com for the hotlink)

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Good Job Makwa,this makes us all feel a little bit better today.
I just wish more people would become a little bit more desensitized.

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Originally posted by unionist:

I wonder if they got his last stunt on tape... Could be extremely educational, no?

On a more serious note, I strongly recommend the BBC series "Life On Earth", for kids and adults alike.

I still want to know how the stingray is doing.

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I assumed tall poppy syndrome

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Unionist your article was from the year 2000. Due to Aust. tough child labour laws the Govt set up a taskforce, passed an act of parliment, and established a council to combat these criminal acts. Progress has been made with these mostly emmigrant groups to teach them the ways of australia.

http://www.business.vic.gov.au/BUSVIC.196780/STANDARD/PC_50608.html

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PS unionist, where are your shoes and clothes made? Do you buy firecrackers?

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My shoes are made of crocodile skin, my clothes of palm leaves, and I unfortunately have to steal firecrackers (it's illegal to buy them here).

Thanks for the reference on the new child labour laws. I'm pleased to read that under the new Code for children in the entertainment industry, an 8-year-old like Bindi would only be allowed to work 5 days a week, 8 hours per day, between the hours of 6:00 am and 11:00 pm. And on any day where she spent (say) from 8:30 am to 3:00 pm in school, she could only be forced to work a maximum of 4 additional hours. Source - 553 kb PDF.