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Topic: Iraq: Sistani issues fatwa against gays
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Hephaestion
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posted 15 March 2006 05:10 PM
Whaaaat??? Y'mean he actually needs to TELL them to murder 'mos in the streets?
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As Iraq sinks closer and closer to all-out civil war the country's most influential Shiite cleric, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, is reportedly calling for death to gays and Sunni Moslems.
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On his Web site, used to communicate with Shiite masses throughout the country, Sistani this week issued a fatwa against Sunnis and gays. He urges followers to kill homosexuals in the "worst, most severe way".
"Sistani's murderous homophobic incitement has given a green light to Shia Muslims to hunt and kill lesbians and gay men,² says exiled gay Iraqi, Ali Hili, of the London-based gay human rights group OutRage.
Hili also heads up the new Iraqi LGBT UK Abu Nawas group, which consists of exiled gay Iraqis and has close links with clandestine gay activists inside Iraq.
"We hold Sistani personally responsible for the murder of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Iraqis. He gives the killers theological sanction and encouragement,² Hili in a statement on Wednesday.
Hili accused the West of allowing Sistani and the Badr Corps to go on a witch-hunt of lesbian and gay Iraqis. "Despite Badr¹s murderous record, the UK allows its political arm, SCIRI, to have offices and fundraise in the UK. Badr is the terrorist wing of SCIRI. Badr should be proscribed as a terrorist organization," said Hili.
He also alleged that Badr militants are entrapping gay men via internet chat rooms.
"They arrange a date, and then beat and kill the victim," Hili said. "Our sources inside Iraq report the murders of the following gay and bisexual men. All the killings bear the hallmarks of the execution-style murders for which the Badr organization is notorious.
"These killings are just the ones we have been able to get details about. They are the tip of an iceberg of religious-motivated summary executions. Gay Iraqis are living in fear of discovery and murder,² said Hili.
[ 16 March 2006: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]
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Hephaestion
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posted 15 March 2006 05:46 PM
You never actually believed any of that crapola, did you ET?BTW, did you realize that if one were to use the full acronym for your handle -- TET -- it could be really "offensive"...? "Tet offensive".... geddit? ...... BWA-HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA !!! (Okay, I admit, it *was* lame, but I'll take any excuse for a laugh right now... )
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 15 March 2006 05:53 PM
That seems to be the Ayatollah answer for bloody everything. If it moves, issue a fatwa on it."I swear by Allah the Most Peaceful, the Most Merciful, that if that paperboy doesn't stop leaving the paper between the doors, he's going to get a Fatwa!"
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The Evil Twin
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posted 15 March 2006 05:59 PM
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You never actually believed any of that crapola, did you ET?
No, but unfortunately this (women's and/or gay rights) is one excuse (for the Western wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) I've heard trotted out by the people named in my last post as well as by many supposedly "progressive" people I know in my personal life. Even some babblers use the Taliban's treatment of women or gays as reasons why Canadian troops should stay there (in the Afghan threads). I would like any of these people to explain to me how either American troops in Iraq or Canadian troops in Afghanistan help reduce sexism or homophobia. In Iraq,especially, the situation seems to have gotten WORSE as Shia fundamentalists like SCIRI have replaced the secular and socialist Baathists. quote:
BTW, did you realize that if one were to use the full acronym for your handle -- TET -- it could be really "offensive"...?"Tet offensive".... geddit? ......
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Heavy Sharper
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posted 16 March 2006 12:27 AM
I can't believe I actually want Saddam Hussein back.Oh yes, and now for the obligatory: Freedom's on the March! [ 16 March 2006: Message edited by: Heavy Sharper ]
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 16 March 2006 12:46 AM
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Well, why then has no one issued a fatwa against Pat Robertson?
Collegiality, and the realization that if they both play the game right, there are plenty of gullibles to go around? Otherwise, beats me.
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siren
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posted 16 March 2006 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by Heavy Sharper:
If this is the sort of regime we're going to see in the new Iraq, I fail to see how kidding rid of Saddam is good for anyone.
Hmm. According to the British medical journal The Lancet, some 100,000 dead Iraqis. A formerly secular society to be super-ceded with a theocracy -- sharia law to replace secular law. The burqa where none were worn for years. A formerly nationalized economy forcefully broken open -- no more 5 cent a litre gasoline, no more free up to and including PhD level education, the destruction of 13 museums recording the history of the cradle of civilization, destruction of the hanging gardens of Babylon . . . and on. America -- defeated, its credibility lying in ruin at the hands of a cretin. Thousands of dead American soldiers. A nation never to be trusted again. State repression? Hussein still ranting in Iraq. Abu Graihb still operative. Shift from Sunni repression of Shia to Shia repression of Sunni. Less electricity, less safety, less water for the Iraq population. Yeah, totally demented to think perhaps Hussein in power might be a better trajectory. On edit: to respect the thread -- I don't know what Hussein's response to homosexuality was, but I'll bet dollars to donuts, it is not better for GBLT people under the new chaos. [ 16 March 2006: Message edited by: siren ]
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Cueball
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posted 16 March 2006 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Hephaestion:
I want them to stop murdering LGBT folk. And yeah, it's an easy decision to make. For me to want it, AND for them to do it.
I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the semantic structure of "I want Saddam back." Like it is "us" that have to live with what we decide for them. But we don't. It is "they" that has to live with our ideas about how they should run their lives. And where does it get them? It gets them destruction and more tyrrany, as opposed to mere tyrrany. At the root of it I think it is our arrogance to believe that we have the right to determine the future of their lives by the use of force. War to prevent war? Tyrrany to prvent tyrrany? Death to prevent death? Bismark called this logic "commiting suicide for fear of death" Besides, I don't know the statistics, but I highly doubt that the Baath party was working up plans for SSM. Would Saddam be better or worse than what they have now? I don't know. But I think the moral relativism of this question is painfully obvious, and more often than not a mode to justify crime. Why are we even asking this question, when we should be asking Iraqis what would be better for them now, rather than making up justifications for our own abuse of them. [ 16 March 2006: Message edited by: Cueball ]
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Crippled_Newsie
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posted 17 March 2006 05:45 PM
From Fatwa to Witch-hunt? quote:
"Sistani's murderous homophobic incitement has given a green light to Shia Muslims to hunt and kill lesbians and gay men,” says exiled gay Iraqi, Ali Hili, of the London-based gay human rights group OutRage.Hili also heads up the new Iraqi LGBT – UK Abu Nawas group, which consists of exiled gay Iraqis and has close links with clandestine gay activists inside Iraq. "We hold Sistani personally responsible for the murder of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Iraqis. He gives the killers theological sanction and encouragement,” Hili in a statement on Wednesday. Hili accused the West of allowing Sistani and the Badr Corps to go on a witch-hunt of lesbian and gay Iraqis. "Despite Badr’s murderous record, the UK allows its political arm, SCIRI, to have offices and fundraise in the UK. Badr is the terrorist wing of SCIRI. Badr should be proscribed as a terrorist organization," said Hili. He also alleged that Badr militants are entrapping gay men via internet chat rooms. "They arrange a date, and then beat and kill the victim," Hili said. "Our sources inside Iraq report the murders of the following gay and bisexual men. All the killings bear the hallmarks of the execution-style murders for which the Badr organization is notorious.
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