Fox planned to air the recording on Bill O'Reilly's "The Factor" show.

NYPost

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Sorry RationalThought, all caps titles are a huge pet peeve of mine, so I edited the title to lowercase.

The funny and tragic thing is that Obama's campaign is probably HAPPY about Jackson's outburst given that their overall strategy over the past few weeks has been to distance Obama from the Black community.

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...in the site redesign, the babble thread titles will automatically scroll on the main page in the babble section....

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To be fair, it wasn't Obama or his campaign that humiliated Jackson. He did it all by himself on this one.

Unless, of course, Jackson and Obama cooked this up together to help Obama's campaign...ooooh, there's a good conspiracy theory!

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I can already tell I'm not going to like this...

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Unless, of course, Jackson and Obama cooked this up together to help Obama's campaign...ooooh, there's a good conspiracy theory!

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Hence, his electability increases.

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Originally posted by jeff house: ...My theory is also that it is easy to make up conspiracy theories without evidence.

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There is probably no other possible way of explaining my arrival at Babble---so, there ya go.

If Jesse Jackson was any dumber, he'd be Al Sharpton.

I love this photo of Karl Rove, Jackson and Sharpton at the Whitehouse during a state function hosted by George W. Bush.

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"Off the expressway, over the river, off the billboard, through the window, off the wall, nothin' but nuts."

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I agree with Doug. This, plus the limited exposure of his children to an "Entertainment Tonight" wannabe programme, helps him.

I'm an African-American man in favour of strong family values and a nuclear family.

Again, he hasn't been hiding it. His 2004 speech to the Democratic Convention:

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Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to teach, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. They know those things.

People don't expect -- people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a slight change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all.

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Well, but the more straightforward thing would be to say to cut them OFF. But OUT? That's starting to sound like internal surgery!

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It sounds like it involves a scalpel rather than a guillotine.

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Fruit baller.

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Fromn the original news story:

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Obama has urged greater emphasis on fatherhood, advised parents to choose reading books over playing video games and most recently told young students to stick with school and forget about a career as a rap star or professional basketball player.
Jackson said that in doing so Obama was hurting his relationship with black voters, "that the senator was cutting off his you-know-whats with the black people and black churches."

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Well, but the more straightforward thing would be to say to cut them OFF. But OUT? That's starting to sound like internal surgery!

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Well, but the more straightforward thing would be to say to cut them OFF. But OUT? That's starting to sound like internal surgery!

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I see that Michelle has considered at length the actual procedure of this kind of operation... how it is done... and so on and so forth.... Perhaps this idea is new to Jackson, and he hasn't really considered the specifics of the procedure in depth, as Michelle obviously has...

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In fact, Whites have actually very little to teach Afro-Americans about castration (that they already haven't).

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What's saddening is the way that babblers have.

ETA: what do I have to lose, really? Here it is:

[ 10 July 2008: Message edited by: RosaL ]

I don't think this will have any impact on the presidential election. Right now the US economy is reeling and is deep in recession, no matter what the 'official' numbers say (unemployment is more like 13% and inflation 10%; all 'growth' is in massively devaluated dollars, which amounts to everybody taking a big pay cut). This is bad news for the GOP.

It is truly amazing how the US has become to resemble its old nemesis, the USSR.

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Well, I was going to post a link to McCain's response to a question about insurance companies that cover viagra but not birth control. It's pretty funny but I really don't dare.

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That is highly offensive ageism, to make fun of McCain bumbling with that answer of his. No one who is not in his shoes (someone at least 70 years old) has any right to even comment on something like that.

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huh?? The thought never crossed my mind that it had anything to do with his age and I haven't seen anyone else suggest that either. Or is your comment some kind of irony? (Sorry, I have trouble with things like this, especially in print.)

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What's saddening is the way that babblers have.

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It's the continuation of the Bill Cosby speaking out thing.

Lola Adesioye, The Guardian

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The problem with the worldview held by the Jesse Jacksons of this world is that it is a patronising one.

It posits African Americans as passive victims unable to change their circumstances. I would argue that Jesse Jackson may be doing more harm to African Americans, and is himself being condescending, by suggesting that they are unable to effect positive change in their lives until the society around them is perfectly equal – which it may indeed never be.

Jackson says he believes that it is the "collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy… [to provide] a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to [African Americans'] irresponsibility". By reinforcing the idea that the system is holding African Americans down, and that they are powerless to do anything about it, Jackson allows the creation of an environment in which it is acceptable for some people to make poor choices. This then goes on to form a vicious cycle, in which the negative consequences of such poor choices are once again blamed on the system.

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What's not surprising is the way the corporate MSM in the US has taken up this non-news, non-issue.

What's saddening is the way that babblers have.

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And besides the points Willowdale Wizard made, there's the matter of these comments being aired on the rabidly right-wing show "The O'Reilly Factor." Yeah, it's a silly story, but also it's another lob over the net for the Dems to potentially flub.

If we add in the context of Barack Obama being highly criticized here on babble, to the extent that there are multiple threads about what a lousy progressive he is, sellout, etc, and always remembering he's the first Black contender for POTUS that has a chance of winning, the picture begins to look less and less pretty.