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JimmyRiddle
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posted 12 March 2007 11:51 AM      Profile for JimmyRiddle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It has not been a good week for the Green Party.

First Elizabeth May's endorsement of Premier Stelmach's "intensity based emissions" plan left many babblers openly musing about ripping up their membership cards.

Then Elizabeth May tried over-riding the wishes of the grassroots by interfering in the nomination process in Vancouver Quadra.

For those who held the faith, now comes the ultimate kick in the slates:

"There's nothing official, mind you, but there is talk in Ottawa about Liberals and Greens crafting some sort of arrangement to help each other in the next federal election, Susan Delacourt reports."

Read the whole story here: http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/190270

Yes, you read that right. Elizabeth May is openly musing about politically collaborating with the Liberal Party--the very same chumps who did everything in their power to undermine her sacred Kyoto Accord.

The very same Liberal Party who let greenhouse gas emissions rise 30% above 1990 figures.

The very same Liberal Party who gave $1.5billion in corporate subsidies to the oil and gas industry.

The very same Liberal Party who signed us up for combat in the dead-end counter insurgency mission in Afghanistan.

The very same Liberal Party that today doesn't know where it stands on any issue of principle--including ones mentioned above.

Elizabth May is not an amateur, just accident prone. If she's making these missteps now, imagine the real boners that will flow from the rough and tumble of the campaign trail. Good times await.

P.S. Where is she running anyways?


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BitWhys
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posted 12 March 2007 01:07 PM      Profile for BitWhys     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
hmph

good thing for her she's got all that brand recognition going for her.


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500_Apples
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posted 12 March 2007 01:39 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The liberals are obviously just doing this to sabotage the NDP in the short-term. In the long-term, it may be a rather stupid move for them.
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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 12 March 2007 02:21 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think it might backfire if they take it any further. The Greens will be dragged down with the Libs when their poor environmental record is beaten to death during the campaign, and the NDP will reap the rewards.
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West Coast Greeny
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posted 12 March 2007 02:46 PM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Now hold up one minute.

First the Greens are in the wrong because they are only helping Stephen Harper because they split the opposition vote.

THEN when they actually try to address this problem in the only way you can under this electoral system were wrong because they are selling our souls to the Liberal party.

What do you want the Liberals and Greens to do? Die? (Wait a minute, there was a book on this...)

P.S. "Merger" is a terribly incorrect term to use here.

[ 12 March 2007: Message edited by: West Coast Greeny ]


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Red T-shirt
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posted 12 March 2007 03:14 PM      Profile for Red T-shirt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
WCG, what is May's thought process here that you seem to wish to defend?
Lets see, Conservatives are terrible on the environmnet but have been out of power till recently so couldn't have done much about it anyway. Liberals are terrible on the environment and have been in power, simply chose to do nothing about it. NDP have both credibility & very good environmental policies, even some that are somewhat similar to those being pushed by Greens. So lets declare that Liberals (rated 40 points lower than the NDP by the Sierra Club) are the ones to work with as far as getting things done on the environment???
Sorry, I just don't see it happening. What I do see is May selling out what is supposed to be her main issue for a little personal political influence. Green supporters should be mightily pissed off with May right now, at least they should be if they really care about the environment.

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KenS
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posted 12 March 2007 04:11 PM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I agree with WCG that people are stretching a lot out of the article on Red-Green. IE, a REPORTER uses the word 'merger'. Susan Delacourt seems to be pretty credible. Nonetheless, throwing out the "m" word is just crass attention grabbing.

And in my opinion, talking about May 'selling her soul' to the Liberals is over the top, much as I question the long established pattern and consistency of her relationship with the Liberals.

That said- that the over the top stuff here at least borders on baiting- her relationship with the Liberals seems to get weirder.

I don't buy the inflamatory rhetoric in this thread. But neither do I buy the sweet sounding words in the article about cooperation and getting something done under the limits of the system.

Granted, not having a PR system forces deep limitations on what the Greens can realistically expect to accomplish.

But that doesn't give Elizabeth May a license to scurry all over the map and expect everyone to buy that it's all some kind of prudent attempt to bring in good things with deals.

I've said before I do not begrudge one bit Elizabteh May pressing for partisan advantage. But she hasn't stopped being wildly eclectic in pursuing it, and she puts on airs what she dresses it up as.


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Stockholm
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posted 12 March 2007 04:38 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
And in my opinion, talking about May 'selling her soul' to the Liberals is over the top,

How can she sell her soul to the Liberals. it sounds like they have owned her soul for a very long time already.


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tostig
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posted 12 March 2007 04:50 PM      Profile for tostig     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Would you prefer another Harper government?
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posted 12 March 2007 04:55 PM      Profile for social democrat        Edit/Delete Post
We don't have a Harper government. We have a Harper minority government. Which forces the Liberals to declare themselves on every issue every day, instead of making promises that they will break as soon as they are elected.
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Stockholm
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posted 12 March 2007 05:30 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Would you prefer another Harper government?

No, I want a Layton government!


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posted 12 March 2007 05:35 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Any reason why we couldn't discuss this in an already existing Green thread? Like, I dunno, here?
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