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Lima Bean
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posted 10 February 2003 03:55 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How many of y'all have just up and quit a job? Just walked out because you couldn't take it anymore?

What sort of consequences did you face? Was it really hard, or did it make things better for you?

Any advice for one who's contemplating this very move?


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dale cooper
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posted 10 February 2003 04:06 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Coming from someone who has never up and quit their job, I suggest you just do it. There is nothing more important then being happy and nothing can destroy happiness like a bad job. And be creative! Depending on what you want to retain (ie. a recommendation/reference) just stand up, grab your stuff and walk. Or run screaming from the building. Maybe if others around you hate their jobs, that will shock them into quitting.

Or stick around and start 'going beyond your boundaries'. Organise a field trip to the zoo and don't tell anyone until the bus pulls up. Go on - let your hair down and make your hatred for your job into a creative outlet. See how long it takes you to get fired.

There's always another job out there somewhere. And if you really hate your current job, it can't get any worse, right?


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Michelle
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posted 10 February 2003 04:09 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I did it once, and I never looked back. My husband was horrified. I was pregnant and needed a full time job in order to qualify for EI maternity leave. But I just couldn't keep working at the place I was at, so I quit after having an interview with a temp agency. The temp agency refused to guarantee anything, so I wasn't sure whether I would get work or not. But work one more day for that stupid frigging incoming call centre I would NOT.

I haven't regretted it, not even a little bit. I soon started earning twice the hourly rate from the temp agency. Maybe that won't happen for you with the income, but the best part for me was the satisfaction - the work was so much more pleasant.

If it were me, I'd take the leap.


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posted 10 February 2003 04:12 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I up and quit a truly lousy print-shop job one December day, back in Toronto. First I took, self-consciously, a "walk in the snow." Just walked out in the early afternoon without explanation, strolled over to the old campus, ran into a friend, had coffee, hung out awhile, was gone for three hours or so altogether. Walked back, gave notice. No regrets whatsoever.

My financial needs were a little less than, as I was paying off only a small, not a large student loan. Still, 'twas good for the soul. As for consequences, there weren't many to speak of. The economy was pretty hot at the time, and luckily someone else who'd moved on to a better situation had already tipped me off that I might be able to come work there. And so it proved.

My sense is, if you wait for a "good time to go," you might be waiting a good long time. Of course, it helps to have some other prospects, even vague ones.


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posted 10 February 2003 04:16 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've always made sure I had another job to go to before I left one where I wasn't happy. That way you don't find yourself so desperate for work that you end up with something worse than the job you ran screaming from.

That said, life's short, though misery can make it seem awfully long. Figure out what it is you'd rather be doing and take steps to make it a reality. Alot easier said than done, but you have nothing to lose but half your life spent in suffering!


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posted 10 February 2003 04:16 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My partner did that the day before my birthday a few years ago. It wasn't unexpected, and I knew it was coming sooner or later. We worked at the same place (Indigo) and had both about had it. They called him into the office to yell at him for not participating in the hard selling sales tracking thing they had going. He called me at my other job (I had just graduated university and was working two part-time jobs), told me that he had had it, and was it all right with me if he just walked out.

I said yes. He wrote a short letter of resignation and walked out the door. I managed to hang on for a few months longer, and gave my two weeks notice when I left.

At the time that left me trying to support the two of us and our cat on two part-time jobs. We were very tight for money for a long time, and he had a lot of trouble trying to find another job. We had to live very frugally, and came very close to having to give notice on our apartment and move in with my parents, particularly when I quit my job there too, leaving me with only 13 hours of work a week to support us. Luckily I got a temp job that shortly turned into a full-time job not too long after I left.

Was it worth it for him to just walk out? Absolutely. It had just gotten so bad that the stress of suddenly being the sole breadwinner was much less than the stress of dealing with him coming home grumpy every night. Heck, when I left, the prospect of no money and having to live with my parents was less stressful than staying in that hellhole one minute longer.

But if you do, think about whether or not you can hold on for the two weeks to give notice. It may affect the reference you get from them when looking for other jobs.

If it's bad enough to outweigh this, do it. Walk out. But have someone to talk to immediately after you do it, a friend who will help you get through it. Initially, it will be a huge adrenalin rush, but then it can turn into panic, and having a supportive friend around can make all the difference.

Be prepared that it may take a while to find another job. My partner still doesn't have one, but then, he's not looking any more. I figure that since he supported me through university, I'm glad to have a job that lets me support us both so that he can work on his writing. He takes on short-term temp work every once in a while so that he has some mad money.

(Temp work to tide you over is definitely something to look into - and in my case, it did lead to a job. Not the most exciting job in the world, but definitely more bearable.)

It is definitely a scary move, both for you and for people around you. But if your job has gotten that unbearable, I can tell you that neither of us has ever regretted how he left.


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posted 10 February 2003 04:19 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Big Ell, I have done this several times over a whole bunch of years (most recently, last week !!!), and I have two things to tell you about my experience:

1. It feels great when you do it; and if you're a serious idealist, it can feel great in memory, sometimes, occasionally ...

2. If you were thinking that you'd change anyone else by going up in flames, forget it. In my experience, that does not happen, not much. The time I walked out in greatest anger, believing that others would at least see that we were doing wrong, I affected no one else. Oh, people said nice things to me ... But nothing changed at the company, and no one else did what I had done.

Instead, over the next few years, I grew to admire the few people who had managed to stay and yet maintain a position of opposition. Some of them really made a practical difference -- not a big one, but a practical one. I was just a one-day flame wonder.

If you're just thinking about your own mental health, of course, that's different. My last quit (last week) was done for that reason. That's private, and as long as it's not going to cost you too much in immediate other scary scenarios, then I say go ahead. Scaling back is not a scary scenario. Freedom may be worth the price. But you have to be willing to pay, a bit, at least.


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Lima Bean
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posted 10 February 2003 04:35 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm thinking about giving myself one month's notice and then in two weeks' time I'll give my official notice to my boss.

It's a bit of relief already just knowing that my time here is finite...

Also kinda scary.


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posted 11 February 2003 04:50 AM      Profile for animal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quitting is a scary idea! I've never quit a job, but then that's not saying much as I'm only 21.

Lately I've toying with the idea of quitting and going back to university full time. The problem is, I don't hate my job . . . I love it. My biggest fear is that I'll leave the organization, rack up a huge student loan, and then end up toiling away at some job I can't stand.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that this is silly, because if I don't take time to focus all my energy on university it'll take me forever to finish my degree, which of course is needed for any kind of advancement. And, of course, some of my attachment to my job probably comes from having a salary that makes for security and a nice, comfortable life in the short run. When I imagine myself there in twenty years I cringe.

But knowing that it's silly doesn't make it much easier. I just can't imagine how I would bring up the issue with my manager and how hard it would be to say goodbye to my coworkers.

Any tips on quitting a good job? That sounds so ridiculous when I write it, but I think it's going to be tough.


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posted 11 February 2003 05:28 AM      Profile for Flowers By Irene     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you don't hate your job, you're just not trying hard enough. Don't worry, before long, management will notice.

I Hate my job, but I can't quit. Now. I just have to hold out for a few more months, when I will have saved enough to quit, move back to Toronto, and finish school; of course, this will be with the assistance of my girlfriend, who is also eager to move back to TO, my friendly neighbourhood loanshark/banker -- and hopefully employment once back in The Centre of the Universe(TM).

I have never quit a job without giving notice before, though this time I am tempted not to tell them* I quit until the U-haul is rented. Did I mention I hate my job?

Ed. Sorry, mind faster than fingers again.

Ed again to note * -- this is not bad English; I have 5 (five) bosses. Me, a lowly service sector employee, has 5 bosses. Thanks shitty union, thanks.

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posted 11 February 2003 05:34 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just realized I passed my 22nd "anniversary" here at work last saturday.

Time flies when you're having fun.

How many sole income earners supporting children have ever up and quit without another job to go to?

I doubt very much I'd still be doing what I'm doing if I was single and responsible only for myself. Having said that, however, I'm not sure what I'd be doing otherwise.

I came close to quitting last year. Nothing work related, mind you. In fact, work was, and in some ways continues to be, a refuge-- the least stressful part of my life most the time.

I'm not sure what to make of the fact that I was very close to quitting this job. It makes me blanch when I think of what the reprocussions would have been for those around me, that depend on me. Selfish....I don't know.... it can be argued, I think.

But then, if I had such leanings I doubt very much I'd have this much seniority here.

There's got to be a bottom line in who you are. There has to be things that you just won't do, positions you won't allow yourself to be reduced to.


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Lima Bean
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posted 11 February 2003 10:45 AM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I suppose I'm quite lucky that my only dependent is a fat kitten.

I get this feeling often, though, this sorta panicky, anxious feeling that if I stay at this job or get another one like it, I'll get stuck and then when I do have dependents I won't have the freedom to move or change anymore. It seems like now's the time for me to be developing a career path and history that will allow me to be happy in my working life for when I really need to be stable and can no longer just ditch a job if it gets lousy.

Somehow I got stuck working in office jobs, assistant and clerky positions, even though I've never wanted to, never enjoyed them, and don't have any aspirations to live the corporate life at all. I just don't want to do this anymore...


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posted 11 February 2003 11:51 AM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I will say this to people who are considering leaving their jobs for further education, but are afraid.

I have a friend who wanted to do the same thing, but decided he would rather work his way up through the ranks internally at his job. A few years after his decision, he discovered they wouldn't let him without further education. He is considering going back to school as an adult, taking 1-2 classes a semester which should get him a degree in about 10-12 years. In the meantime, he has bought a house, essentially forcing a 'dependent' upon himself where he had none before, thus trapping him into continuing work. He has essentially damned himself to remain in low-level admin work for the rest of his life with no chance of promotion. All of this because he didn't want to rack up any student loans.

If you are able to go back to school and want to, do not be afraid of racking up student loans. It sucks to pay them off in the long run, but it is nothing compared to what you may face with a job you hate and no chance of getting out. A few short years of toil now can really make a difference in your future. Only you have the power to change your life!

This inspirational moment brought to you by dalecoopercorp.


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posted 11 February 2003 01:19 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the wonderful world of Homer:

If you hate your job, you don't strike. You just go in and do it really half ass - that's the American way!

How true is this for so many of us?

I don't think I'm well suited to the position I'm currently in, and an quite relieved that my contract will be up in just over 2 months. That said, it has served me well, and I'm glad to have had it for the experience and money (reason why I agreed to have said contract extended twice past original end date, in spite of my unhappiness).

I wonder if I am meant to find satisfaction in the working world - the org I'm with now is very worthwhile, and in line with my values, but I'm not sure I'm cut out for office life. In spite of the fact that a uni degree was required for this job, I often feel that a trained monkey with good communication skills could do my job. I often wonder if I'd be happier as a corporate drone, where because my work isn't "important," I don't feel as much pressure. Of course, then I remember the lessons of "Office Space." In any case, I'm relieved to be ecaping the work world to go to the soft cocoon of a masters degree in the fall, and in between travel and possibly some serving in between (which in spite of all the sh*t, I like). The prospect of working for the next 30 or 40 years depresses me.

Me, I've only ever walked away from one job without having an ace in the hole. It was my first waitressing job, and I'd been there for 9 months, and as I am not one to take crud from arrogant, sexist, harassing, patronizing, power-tripping, drug abusing managers, it was very clear that I needed to walk away or be fired. In spite of how hostile that environment was, I did regret it when it took me almost a month to find another position, and I had to worry about paying for school, though I knew I could always rely on the 'rents for help if necessary.


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angela N
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posted 11 February 2003 01:33 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If you hate your job, you don't strike. You just go in and do it really half ass - that's the American way! How true is this for so many of us?

True indeed, I email, write stories, and play on babble all day, every day. I often hate being here, but I do get paid to listen to you guys babble, and that's pretty cool.


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Lima Bean
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posted 11 February 2003 01:48 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ditto for me!! And lately I'm also checking job posting boards faithfully. And biting my nails like a demon.

Aw, I really wish I was somewhere else....like maybe, on a beach, by the lakeside, with a book and a drink and an umbrella ....


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angela N
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posted 11 February 2003 01:58 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
can I come too?
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Lima Bean
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posted 11 February 2003 02:03 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What shall we pack for lunch?
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angela N
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posted 11 February 2003 03:04 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anything you like (except Lima Beans) Dr Conway is buying.
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posted 11 February 2003 05:08 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have the great fortune letting management decide when I need a change of scene.

Now, my job consists of phoning the HRDC line once every two weeks. Yes, yes, yes, no, yes: they only skill I need.

But comes a time when I must return to my chains and whore myself out. But where does a anarcho-lefty find fulfilling work? The bank? A warehouse? Oil patch? *shudder*

What kind of work do satisfied babblers do?


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angela N
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posted 11 February 2003 05:24 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I pretend to conduct an office job, while in actuality I just babble on babble all day. Judging from the frequency of posts I'd be willing to bet that's what a lot of other babblers do. Which is good, otherwise I would be talking to myself.
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posted 11 February 2003 05:28 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But the big question is :

Are you being watched?


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angela N
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posted 11 February 2003 05:34 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yes and no, they know i fuck around a lot but when they need me to be on top of things, I work like a maniac to get it done, which they know. Also, no one in the office knows how to do my job so I'm safe ... for the moment.
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posted 11 February 2003 06:37 PM      Profile for animal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If you are able to go back to school and want to, do not be afraid of racking up student loans. It sucks to pay them off in the long run, but it is nothing compared to what you may face with a job you hate and no chance of getting out. A few short years of toil now can really make a difference in your future. Only you have the power to change your life!

This inspirational moment brought to you by dalecoopercorp.


Haha . Advice noted. Thanks for the encouragement . . . the thought of being stuck in the organization in twenty years is scary!!

But, I'm still a chickenshit, and as such quitting scares me too. *sigh*


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posted 11 February 2003 06:54 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone suited for this job?
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posted 11 February 2003 07:06 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I actually really enjoy office work. I've mostly been employed in admin and clerical positions in the past, which I enjoyed, but I found I couldn't really get past the admin positions, because of my lack of education. So I can see myself going back to similar office work, but hoping to get more challenging positions in the same environment, perhaps supervising or managing. Preferably in an NGO, government, or social work kind of industry.
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posted 11 February 2003 07:21 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've usually had somewhere to go when quitting jobs, except on two occasions.

The first, I had been working in a nursing home for 5 years, part time while attending university, and was starting to burn out. I took a temporary summer job managing and directing a touring kids' show for a non-profit. It was good for me, loved it, even though come September I was back to school and had no part time job to go to, which made it possible for me to get a free-lance writing gig through the NFB. Wouldn't have been able to do that if I'd had both a regular job and classes to deal with.

The second quitting was a little protracted. I actually went on mat leave with my first kid -- 6 mos paid leave through EI, but an additional unpaid 6 mos unpaid mat leave as per the union contract with my employer. I'd been there 5 years, again starting to suffer some burn-out, and pretty sure I didn't want to do this forever. Anyway, I took the first 6 months off, and tried doing some freelance work as a writer and researcher in the film and tv biz (which I'd been involved in the alternative/arts side of for several years outside the day job) for the second 6 mos to see if it made sense to do that instead of going back. It did.

The day I quit my job was scary and empowering at the same time. I sat down with the HR guy and explained that I had a serious choice -- come back to a stressful, demanding and largely thankless job, or go on an expense-paid trip to Asia to research a documentary, and invited him to guess which one I was going to go with. He guessed right.

On the way out, there was a slightly panicky feeling -- "OMG!!! I just quit the best-paying job I've ever had!" -- but also, after a moment, a lightness, a feeling of freedom. I do not make as much now as I did in that job, but the choice has been the right one. It's given me more time to be with my kids, more fulfilling work and a feeling that I control my destiny, not someone else. It's working for me.

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posted 14 February 2003 01:30 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So I'm gonna do it. I'm just gonna quit even though all I've got lined up are some pretty conrete possibilities (no real job, yet).

What's the general feeling about notice? The employment contract I signed says minimum two weeks, but I'm inclined to warn them a little further in advance, since my managers seem all too oblivious to my misery and dissatisfaction. They'll likely be shocked I'm leaving. Or maybe not. Either way, it feels more considerate to give them say, three weeks (because I want to be outta he-ah on March 7, so I'd speak to them Monday), but maybe I should just stick with the official protocol? Maybe it doesn't even make much difference.

Any advice or experiences to share?


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Depends on what you do, if your replacement needs a fair bit of training then give them 3 weeks, if it's gonna be a smooth transition then give the 2.

It also depends how you feel about your employer in the first place.

Good Luck to you Lima Bean! (i really envy you)


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posted 14 February 2003 02:09 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have given my current employer almost two month's notice. I was told my job would be split into two jobs and that I would have to write the two new job descriptions. That done, they still haven't hired anyone. I start training a part time temp on Monday, mere days before my departure. Given the huge amount of work left to do, and the fact that the temp, by nature of her total newbie status, won't be able to do much of it, I'm expected to produce a variety of stuff before I go.

Much as I'd like to tell them to go fuck themselves, my work ethic won't allow me to do anything but put in the overtime before I go and get the shit done.

LB, get out while you can.


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posted 14 February 2003 02:22 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Any advice for one who's contemplating this very move?

It's been said many times here, already, it's better to have a place to land. However, it's better to leave than to crack up.


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posted 14 February 2003 02:31 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As long as it doesn't last for too long, I am sort of looking forward to a period of unemployment. I've been banging my head against this wall for what feels like a very long time, and it'll be nice to give it a rest before I put it to work learning the skills and responsibilities associated with new employment.

My job isn't very complicated. A lot of my tasks are repetitive and self-explanatory, they just need a person to do them, doesn't really matter much who that person is. I think they'll likely be slow to hire a replacement so there's little chance that I'll have to train my successor (if they even get one..). I don't even have ownership of any large projects or anything, so there won't be much for me to finish up before I leave. I hope.

I think, to be respectful and considerate, though, and to put my anxieties to rest, I'll speak to my managers on Monday.

Anybody advise against it?


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You may very well want them as a future reference. A positive exit strategy, whenever possible, is always a good thing I think.
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posted 14 February 2003 03:14 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
agreed
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Rebecca West
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posted 14 February 2003 03:32 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Though giving 'em the finger is awfully satisfying...
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posted 14 February 2003 03:39 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They haven't crossed me quite badly enough to warrant my spite. I'm just really unhappy working this job. It's just time for me to get out and try something different.

It'll be a nice feeling the day I walk out of here at the end of the day knowing I don't have to come back.


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posted 15 February 2003 04:59 AM      Profile for peacepiper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You'll find all the answers in the movie Office Space!
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My job is under the gun at the moment, due to the Liberals' funding cuts to the NGO/non-profit sector. I am anticipating, and also secretly hoping (although not with all my heart) that they will be handing me a 30-days' pink slip on 1 March. In anticipation of any eventuality, I have been searching for work that is more up my alley (less of the social worker, more of the human rights lawyer). So far, I've submitted applications to such exotic locales as East Timor and Winnipeg. Even if I receive a reprieve at my present job, I think I might be happier somewhere else. Somewhere where it's less of a mad scramble to patch up peoples' lives, and more of an effort to create greater security and hope for people through systemic change.
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posted 15 February 2003 05:30 AM      Profile for Flowers By Irene     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
...then they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and its not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire.

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posted 15 February 2003 05:59 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hee, F.B.I.

Sounds like something that rambling guy from "Office Space" would say.


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Rebecca West
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posted 15 February 2003 08:58 AM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That was a VERY funny movie.
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posted 15 February 2003 11:45 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Office Space is funny because it is so true.
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posted 16 February 2003 04:35 PM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I threatened to quit in no uncertain terms, I think the phrase "kiss my ass" even came into the converstaion. But the first thing I did was have a lot of coffee breaks outside the office with my associate which made them nervous thinking we were BOTH planning on going They knew we were both po'd and ready to walk - then let it be known we felt totally unappreciated for our efforts. Miraculously the next week or so things started improving - even our pay cheques got a LOT bigger all of a sudden. They were looking at us cross eyed after that but we got the point across and our dept head even admitted things at the top were not right and he would go to bat for us on issues.
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posted 17 February 2003 12:58 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An invaluable resource, it would seem: I-resign.com
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angela N
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posted 17 February 2003 05:52 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you do it Lima? I am now living vicariously through you, please let me know if we quit yet!
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posted 18 February 2003 12:12 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've quit a half dozen jobs, and been openly critical of management problems at others - thus getting myself fired as many times.

I recently went through eight jobs in a three year period. Know what? There's a lot of jobs that suck out there, and the people who make them suck don't want to change. If you can live with being forced to suck, then live with it - but don't blame your wife and kids and mortgage and pets for the fact that half your waking life now sucks.

If you don't like sucking, you have three choices, and only one of them is completely under your own control: leaving. Your other two choices are to try to effect change in your current job environment, or to get yourself 'shown the door'.

prologue: After three uncertain years of scrambling, I've now been with a company I enjoy (with an owner I happily count as a new friend) for fifteen months. I'm using all of my sales and marketing and management skills - and for good, not evil.

[ 18 February 2003: Message edited by: Lard tunderin' jeesus ]


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Lima Bean
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posted 18 February 2003 11:10 AM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've got butterflies in my tummy. Today's the day. Or rather, yesterday was supposed to be the day, but my boss was in meetings all day and I didn't get to speak to him. I've got the letter printed and signed, I've been going over and over what I'll say...I'm just very nervous.

I've quit jobs before, but I've never actually liked my boss or the people I worked with as much as I do this time. It's going to be harder to leave this shitty job than any of the others, I think.

All the same, this is a shitty job. I'll be happy to be through with it.

I'll let y'all know what happens when I finally get to talk to my boss (he's currently MIA--wandering the halls of the office, I suppose).

Wish me luck!! (nervous tummy smiley)


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Lima Bean
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posted 18 February 2003 12:02 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Akk, he's in his office now, but I'm shaking so badly I'm afraid I'll pass out before I say my piece!

Eep.


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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 18 February 2003 12:36 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Best of luck.
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Lima Bean
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posted 18 February 2003 12:56 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, I did it. I talked to my boss and my sub-boss and neither of them were very suprised. My boss was actually quite encouraging when I told him I hoped to go back to school in the fall, and also let slip that he's well aware that mine is a dead-end job.

I'm not shaking anymore. And now I can officially start my countdown!!!


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posted 18 February 2003 01:04 PM      Profile for dale cooper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Balloons and confetti!
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posted 18 February 2003 01:41 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congrats!
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Congratulations!
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angela N
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posted 18 February 2003 01:46 PM      Profile for angela N   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
well done Lima, I am very happy for you!
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posted 18 February 2003 03:09 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congratulations!

Job well done, LB. I'll be sure to raise a glass to your happiness (after I finish work today, of course).


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Thanks everyone!! The word's already spreading around the office like wildfire and more than one person has come and told me they think I've made a great move. A couple people expressed some envy, even, and most of them wished me well and said they thought I could do better than this job no problem.

I'm so relieved!


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posted 18 February 2003 04:23 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Excellent!
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Timebandit
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posted 18 February 2003 07:00 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good for you, LB!
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posted 18 February 2003 08:55 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Glad it turned out so well!
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posted 19 February 2003 07:59 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On a related topic, Johnny Paycheck has just died. He's best known for his 1977 hit, the country ballad "Take This Job And Shove It!" (later covered by the Dead Kennedys).

TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT
I AIN’T WORKING’ HERE NO MORE
MY WOMAN DONE LEFT AND TOOK ALL OF THE REASONS I WAS WORKING FOR
YOU BETTER NOT TRY TO STAND IN MY WAY WHEN I WALK OUT THE DOOR
TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT
I AIN’T WORKING’ HERE NO MORE

I BEEN WORKING IN THIS FACTORY
PRETTY CLOSE TO 15 YEARS
I’VE SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS’ WOMEN STANDING IN A POOL OF TEARS
I’VE SEEN A LOT OF KINFOLKS DYING
I HAD A LOT OF BILLS TO PAY LORD,
I’D GIVE THE SHIRT RIGHT OFFING’ MY BACK IF I HAD THE NERVE TO SAY:

Repeat Chorus

THE FOREMAN IS A REGULAR SOB. AND THE NIGHT BOSS, HE’S A FOOL
HE GOT HIMSELF A BRAND NEW FLATTOP HAIRCUT LORD, HE REALLY THINKS THAT’S COOL
ONE OF THESE DAYS I’M GONNA BLOW MY TOP AND THERE’S GONNA BE HELL TO PAY I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE THEIR FACES WHEN I GET THE NERVE TO SAY

Repeat Chorus


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posted 05 March 2003 04:46 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Two days left to go!!!

Yippeeee!!!!


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posted 09 April 2003 07:50 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, not EXACTLY quitting, but...

As of the 15th of this month, my contract is up, and I'm a free woman! I accepted 2 extensions of it (though I was getting tired of it long ago), because financial stability is important to me, but I am so damn grateful to be leaving. My organization has many positives, as does my job, and I'm glad for the experience, but truth be told (no sugercoating) I can't wait to get out of here (both this job and this province). I can't wait to go back to school. I can't wait to spend a month and a half without a job. I can't wait to spend the summer working in a restaurant. I can't wait until the 15th (please, gawd, make the days fly by).

On the negative side, I still have a huge load of work to finish before I go, which means I'll be putting in some (a large number of) unpaid hours before I go. It'll all be worth it though, come Tuesday...


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posted 09 April 2003 08:25 PM      Profile for Pellaken     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
have you ever quit our of anger?

well, let me tell you about my experinces

I used to work at McDonalds. I knew I was not the fastest, and I'm sorry that I cannot go at 100% after I come back from a full day of school, but that's just not me. some of the managers CAN go that fast, and they would yell at me for being slow. sure, sometimes I'd slack off, but if I was told to speed up, I would, but when going at full speed, yelling at me to speed up wont help.

anyways, here are a few experinces that really drove me up the wall, all involve the same manager.
I was filling up the ice-cream machine. the manager told me to get a bag, so I did. I picked it up, and it had ice chips in it, so before I poured it in, I asked her if I could use it "this bag is full of ice, should I use it" her responce "yes, of course! "
so I began to pour it, but it was near impossible. 5 minutes later she came to yell at me for taking so long. I explained the bag was full of ice. she then took over and yelled at me for using a bag full of ice. I was miffed, but not enough to quit.

the next time came in one of my first breakfast shifts. I was told to do a mop. so I began to look for it.
not here
not there
not anywhere
then we got busy, so I hopped back into the kitchen to make more McMuffins. once it quieted down again, I went to look for that darn mop again. I went outside, inside, in the freezer even, and just couldent find it. again, we got busy, so I hoped back into the kitchen, etc. when I finally went back to look for the mop, I asked Mitchell (you'll hear alot more about him) where he left it. it was nowhere NEAR where it was susposta be, it was outside, around the corner. by the time I got the mop back in, I was walking towards the mop bucket, and, guess who, the manager comes up, yanks the mop out of my hand, and yells "it dosent take that long to fill up the mop bucket"
I was having a bad day, no week, no month. and I almost walked out then and there. I prominently announced to her, once finished the mop, that I would not work breakfast again, and that while I'll work my scheduled shifts, these would be my last breakfast shifts.
before I could get away...
I was working another breakfast, and dropped an entire plate of eggs. now if you did that, you'd feel a combo of and some self and
I was told to mop it up, so I said I would once I had a chance because we were busy. once we were finished bieng busy, she came back, and yelled that it dident take "that" long to do a mop, yanked it out of my hand, and did it herself. had she not did it herself, I would have quit then and there.
then
there was this time I was working close. I told the 3 workers that I was going to clean the floor, BEFORE cleaning a certain item. I made it CLEAR, VERY CLEAR, that I was saying this in the event the manager yelled at me. so, what happens?
the mander ask me if I have the item cleaned, I say no, she tells me to do it, I do it, once she finds out the floor is not clean... yep, she yelled at me. but I had expected it so it was more funny then angry.
what DID make me quit?
well I quit twise. once because I realized that mitchell, who everyone agreed I was better then, made 5 cents more then me. I also realized that I was making $6.25, which is what new employees were being paied due to recent raises in minimum wage. so I "quit" by putting in my 2 week notice. by the next day, I 'unquit'
the second time I quit was because I had missed two shifts, the ONLY two shifts I EVER missed outright. out of anger, mostly at myself for missing them, I announced that I was going to quit. I was planning to un-quit, but what that manager said to me totally changed my mind.
on the first of these two missed shifts, it was because I needed to study for school. I told the manager who I called that I simpally couldent make it, and that I "dident care what" they did "to me". the message I was trying to get across is that school take presidence before work. the manager told me that I had said "I dont care about work" with that single lie, I said frig this, and did not un-quit.

man... I ramble. dont I?


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posted 07 April 2004 12:56 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm about to do it again. It's too bad I can't get a job quitting jobs...
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posted 07 April 2004 01:35 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do they know it's coming?
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Loony Bin
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posted 07 April 2004 02:06 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some people do, but I don't think my boss suspects anything. Maybe it's already leaked out around the office, but I don't really think so...

I'm planning to talk to her this afternoon, but I'm pretty nervous about it, as usual.


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posted 07 April 2004 02:21 PM      Profile for Holy Holy Holy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I quit a job once without notice. My super called me at home the next day and threatened to kill me. Fun.
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posted 07 April 2004 02:34 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lovely! And did s/he wonder why you quit?
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This topic is one where I truely feel sorry for young people in today's job market. When I first started getting jobs, it was pretty much an employees market. Dealing with bosses was much better when we could quit and find another job the same day. I went for several years without keeping a job for more than seven months; my choice. I tried all kinds of jobs. If I didn't like them, I quit. If I wanted adventure, I hit the road. I did not have to say nasty things to bosses because I could just go. The job market has become much tougher.
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Best thing I ever did...quit the office job on the 15th story of an office building in downtown T.O, the day before the blackout came. Then I decided to go back to school, which after a year or so is getting pretty stagnant, but at least I'm no longer on the 15th floor in downtown T.O!
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posted 07 April 2004 10:22 PM      Profile for Sine Ziegler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My boyfriend did that at Haliburton. He was out near Quebec City on a three month assignment and when he got news of a new job in Calgary, he told Halliburton he was gone that day. They ended up having to fly in a guy from Singapore to replace him, as no employee in North America was available and the dood didn't know how to drive in the snow!
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I quit a few jobs in my teens and early twenties. There were no repercussions for the jobs were shit. Similar to the working conditions that Pellakin tried to endure. Even if a person was a rocket scientist they would go nowhere and if they work hard and follow all the rules you end up as a robot and go nowhere to boot. Your life will be much better by not working in the fast food industry.

I worked for free for a couple months when I wanted to become a dental technician. This guy was a real dink and he too had the I gotta yell ‘cause I have now social skill. When I finally started getting paid it was $5.00/hr in 1989. It was when he threatened me by saying I had a salary review coming up. I thought, you call $5.00/hr a salary? I phoned the next Monday and said I’m not coming in.

What has helped me get a job I like is community college. However I’ve been slaving away at this job now, as a dental tech for 12 years and I’ve grown out of it, and I dream of quitting every day. It would be a real trade off and yes I am afraid.
(Edited to add: I work at a different lab for a larger organization, not a mom and pop operation. The turkey who I originally worked for ened up losing his lab and working somewhere else. probably for a person just like himself.)
It’s a shame the middle classes have sold our safety net out from under us just for the sake of a few welfare cheats in favour of real welfare cheats ie ex Ontario Power Generation executives. We can work our whole lives and as soon as we stop, whoosh, every thing we work for will fade away.

There are three options for workers work hard and spend all your money, work hard and save all your money or don’t work hard and have no money. Unfortunately life in Canada is devoted to our new religion which is money.

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posted 09 April 2004 05:25 PM      Profile for JeremyShantz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder what ever happened with Lima Bean?
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posted 09 April 2004 05:33 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jeremy, Lima Bean morphed into Lizard Breath. She is also known as Big Ell.

So don't worry -- she is still with us. (And not with the evildoers.)


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IrishMuse
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posted 22 April 2004 07:32 PM      Profile for IrishMuse   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I up and quit my job before this one. I had slipped and fell (on city property, not at work), and had torn every ligament and tendon in my ankle and calf that I could. I could barely walk, and needed physio. My employer told me I had to return to work after a week off, so I did under the condition that I wouldn't climb tall ladders (I was a manager at a small warehouse for a local gift store chain) to put items away, that the other employee (the driver/worker, there was only 2 of us there) would do that, and I could do picking, packing, and labelling. No big deal, basically it was just one thing I could not do.

Well, I got so much flack from the owner (didn't help the other employee would lie and say I didn't do anything, showed up late, etc etc etc, even though he was rarely in the warehouse and would take twice the amount of time to drive deliveries than he should have), that the day she came in with a list of complaints, and listed them all off, I told her to shove her job, handed her the keys, and walked out.

Unfortunately, I ended up on EI while my leg healed, and I can't find a full time job (or even a second part time job) making what I did there. $7.10/hr, and 20 hrs a week doesn't cut it. But at least I'm not harassed.


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I completely broke down (again) today because of my job and the stress it imposes on me. Today's was like no other crying spell - instead of in front of co-workers it was in the car after my boyfriend picked me up after work. I decided today that I can no longer bear the toxicity of my working environment. It's time to rally the troops, assess their resources, and march.

I applied for a job that is more conducive to my temperament, at the local library. Even to volunteer there would be great. I also have been asked to assist a local publisher (who published moi, slight brag, tyvm. Hopefully this will grow into a more permanent position (he is moving to T-O) and needs somebody here at the headquarters.

I mustered courage and called this evening and informed the manager that I would not be at work tomorrow. The day's pay is worth it for my sanity. I will spend the day asking for a note from my doctor (maybe get a leave that way?) and dropping an application off at the police department, for a comparable job at more pay and fewer hours! Wish me luck! It's a scary step but it's really time this time.

If I quit outright I won't be eligible for any EI benefits. So I have to get another job - FAST!


From: What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow / Out of this stony rubbish? | Registered: Mar 2003  |  IP: Logged
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posted 16 December 2004 03:38 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
If I quit outright I won't be eligible for any EI benefits. So I have to get another job - FAST!

Not necessarily.

There are some, albeit quite restrictive circumstances where you can quit your job and draw EI benefits.

Employment Insurance (EI) and Voluntary Leaving

Here's a bit from the site:

quote:
You are justified voluntarily leaving your job in the following situations if, considering all the circumstances, quitting your job was the only reasonable alternative in your case:

sexual or other harassment
needing to move with a spouse or dependent child to another place of residence
discrimination
working conditions that endanger your health or safety
having to provide care for a child or another member of your immediate family
reasonable assurance of another job in the immediate future
major changes in the terms and conditions of your job affecting wages or salary
excessive overtime or an employer’s refusal to pay for overtime work
major changes in work duties
difficult relations with a supervisor, for which you are not primarily responsible
your employer is doing things which break the law
discrimination because of membership in an association, organization or union of workers
pressure from your employer or fellow workers to quit your job


If stress is the reason for you quitting, you might want to pay a visit to your physician and see if he/she will certify that the job is endangering your health.

If you quit and apply for EI benefits, the EI folks will conduct an investigation and determine whether or not your quitting was justified. Mind you, while they spend their time trying to determine whether your quitting was justifiable you won't have any money coming in.

Some of the things they will look at will be what you did to try to resolve the situation i.e. if you belong to a union, did you file a grievance or grievances? If you're non-union did you talk to the supervisor or manager and try to resolve the situation?

And of course if you get turned down for EI benefits, you have the right to appeal. Very few folks appeal being turned down for EI benefits...but of the folks who do appeal, what I understand is that about 70% of folks win their appeal.

Its the EI "Board of Referees" that hears your case. They're "tripartite" boards so usually you'll at least have the labour nominee in your court...and all they have to do is convince one of the other nominees.

The labour movement generally does a pretty good job of training labour nominees on the EI Board of Referees.

Again, the difficult part in all of this is sitting at home with no money coming in while the bureaucratic wheels grind.

But please don't automatically assume that you are trapped in a crappy job with no possibility of getting EI if you quit. Its very tough, but not impossible.

And again...if you get turned down, make sure to appeal.

[ 16 December 2004: Message edited by: radiorahim ]


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posted 16 December 2004 03:41 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How fitting that I find this thread as I putter with my resume.

Trouble is, I love most of my job. Another one has come open that I might love more (and pays about 40% more.

I walked off of one job in my life - McDonald's. I was 14 and worked there for 7 months at the wonderful wage of $3.30/hour. I did not plan to quit - one day, in the midst of a supper rush, it was like I got tapped on the shoulder. I walked away from the grill (with 6 1/4lbers sizzling on it), told the boss I was leaving, and walked out the door. Very surreal, and I have never regretted it.

He told me I'd have no reference. I was 14, what did I care. I don't think I could do that now (what with arborwoman having a bun in the oven and all).


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posted 16 December 2004 07:59 AM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, radiorahim - I feel much better now. My first stop today is to my family physician, to ask (plead) her to write a letter recommending a leave, then to the HRDC office to speak of the options you mentioned.

At this point I am still so filled with anxiety and wrath that the though of sitting BROKE for a month or so does not faze me. I know it should.


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posted 16 December 2004 08:01 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
(what with arborwoman having a bun in the oven and all).

Cool! Many congrats to arborwoman and yourself!


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posted 16 December 2004 08:06 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I walked off of one job in my life

the only time i have done this was, easily, my weirdest job: selling vacuums door-to-door in suburban toronto.

we would sing songs about vacuum sales to start the day:

pull dirt! 10, 20!
little bit harder! 30, 40!
turn them around, get their signature down!
40, 30, 20, 10, this sale's all mine!


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posted 16 December 2004 08:31 AM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is it:

quote:
Reason No. 23: Relation with Authority–Hostile Atmosphere Created by Superiors
Raison d'être: one should not indefinitely endure an intolerable atmosphere created by superiors; avoid abuse by employers;
Reference:
EIA 29(c)(x);
Reasonable Alternative:
report the situation to a higher level;
request a transfer;
contact the union;
use the provisions in the collective agreement;
look for another job;
Just Cause:
indications of constructive dismissal;
situation recurs regularly, not occasionally;
does not include cases where the person himself or herself aggravates the situation;
no reasonable alternative but to leave, even without another job;
existing reasonable alternatives failed to remedy the situation.

More specifically, when my co-workers make an error or otherwise hinder the service to the cutomer, and I see the error and bring it to their attention, or merely inquire as to whether it was intended this way, they get very defensive and I get verbally abused and made to feel as if I should just keep my mouth shut. I try to be as tactful as possible - hey, I am the first one to fix my own mistakes once they are pointed out (pobody's nerfect and all). I feel that my co-workers are immature and that they will not listen to any of my concerns as they feel I am over-reacting. Well the churning in my belly and the tears that flow freely while on the job attest otherwise! Oh, and bringing it to a higher level? Done that. The "boss" thinks we should just sort it out amongst ourselves.


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posted 16 December 2004 12:27 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got a letter from my doctor informing my employer of my leave until Jan 3rd "for medical reasons". Walked in to the office and served the manager with a copy. What a relief!

[ 16 December 2004: Message edited by: steffie ]


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posted 16 December 2004 01:04 PM      Profile for thwap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Congrats steffie,

One shouldn't have to dread going to work every morning. I hope you'll be able to put that scene behind you and find something better.


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posted 16 December 2004 01:33 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Glad to be of some help Steffie.

What you might want to do is sit down and do a write up of what has been happening i.e. dates, occurrences, who you talked to and what you talked about etc.

This will help you down the road if you do end up quitting and trying to file a claim for EI benefits.

Good luck!


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posted 16 December 2004 02:34 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was an hothead when I was young. I quit many jobs. I'd get angry and stomp off, or I'd get a wandering urge and just go. I drove my parents nuts. It took ten years for me to get a college degree because I quit so many times. I finally stabilized and got my degree because I reached a point where I was un-employable.

I don't recommend this, but I sure got a street education. Picking beans for a penny/pound sure teaches one the basics.


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posted 16 December 2004 03:37 PM      Profile for unmaladroit        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
this discussion, interestingly, has rehabilitated itself with only 5 days remaining 'til the beginning of winter. i think people are mostly unhappy with their jobs in northern countries with the decline of sunshine. going to most jobs in the dark, and coming home the same, is a real back-breaker/mind-bender.

so hark - 5 days until the days start becoming longer!

myself - i have mostly been fired from my 38 odd-jobs in my 20 years service, but i have quit a few too.

once, i did both at the same time (quit and got fired). as a 6-day-a-week bar supervisor in a busy resort bar - the season was coming to a subtle close, and i knew that my bartenders were 5-weeks away from assuming their off-season responsibilities. i timed my request for 2 weeks vacation (to perform my yearly responsibility and drive my mother back from florida), to be in 3-weeks time, and i'd be back before i lost my workers.

i was told flat out - "NO!"
i reasoned with my manager, saying i've timed this out perfectly, and the season is coming to a close.
"NO!"
so i offered two weeks notice. the next day was my only day off in 13, and i was expected to "come in and talk about it". i didn't. i showed for my next shift, sold over $3000 and was in charge of a $100,000 inventory. then closed the bar and had the floor mopped, everything perfect as usual for an anal "everything has its place" guy like me, no shirked responsibilities. handed in my cash, and was promptly given my walking papers.

reason: "We want to screw you before you have a chance to screw us." nice! i kept my composure, said that "everything was done, no responsibilities shirked, hell - the floor is clean enough to lick." then, "what kind of compensation am i going to receive on my final paycheck for being dismissed without warning".

"NONE. we don't have to." i shook my head in disbelief. left quietly and got drunk.

last laugh - i called the labour relations board in BC the next day to tell them of my treatment. "OH! THEM! We've had numerous complaints about them. have you worked stat holidays and overtime for which you weren't paid?" "You bet i have!". "Do you have documentation?" "You bet i do!". "Fax it down." "You bet i will!!!" and i did.

i got a furthur $1800.00 (minus taxes) out of the company - which paid for my 2 weeks off. and the managers had the balls to inform the staff - after banning me from the restaurant - that i was the reason why they weren't allowed to work overtime the following summer. (not that they were required to pay overtime).

the hospitality industry in canada has no job security, and there are often employers who will be quick to say "you are replaceable, i have a stack of applications for your job on my desk."

so the only way to approach it, for me, is to treat every day like a religious experience. work for the sake of getting the job done, not for the money. choose a place of employ that is conducive to your values, not the bank account. it is ultimately more satisfying, there is less stress, and you don't mind scraping plate, picking up chewed chicken bones, or scrubbing your arms up to your elbows after each shift, even at my advanced age.

hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to work i go. 8O)
(only five days until the days start getting longer)


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posted 16 December 2004 04:03 PM      Profile for LaGitana     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for that hrdc link radiorahim. My boyfriend and I are living apart - his job is in a mono-industry town that I have no hope of finding work in so I live in the city so I can at least have a job. We commute back and forth for now however with him there is always the possibility that he will be transferred to way far away (NOT commuting distance). At least now I have some avenues to check out in case he does get transferred so I can make sure I'd be covered after leaving a job. Merci!
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posted 16 December 2004 04:43 PM      Profile for unmaladroit        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LaGitana:
Thanks for that hrdc link radiorahim. My boyfriend and I are living apart - his job is in a mono-industry town that I have no hope of finding work in so I live in the city so I can at least have a job...At least now I have some avenues to check out in case he does get transferred so I can make sure I'd be covered after leaving a job. Merci!

LaGitana - i once was able to claim EI 4 years ago when my partner found a job in another region, we moved, and i was able to claim while looking for my own job: that i had to leave my job to follow my partner's career path.

it should be on that website as well - and would work well for you if you decided to live together in his town. i've recently deleted the link (a testament to not wanting to ever be on the system again...). hope this helps.


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