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Topic: Pope: Orthodox churches "defective"; other Xtian denominations not true churches
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Michelle
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posted 10 July 2007 09:46 AM
Oh, I know. I don't have a problem with it either. They all say they're the "real" church.Although actually, most protestant denominations do not deny the validity of other denominations' relationship with God or "saved" status. So, for instance, my Baptist church did not consider the United Church down the street to be a false church, or unsaved or anything like that. Some of them considered Catholics to be, though! (I didn't. I thought that was dumb too.) Strangely enough, it was some of the members of our South American congregations that felt the strongest against the Catholic church, probably because most of them either converted from the Catholicism they grew up with in South America, or because it was seen as a not-so-benevolent force or whatever. Anyhow, yeah. I don't care if he says other religions aren't "true" religions. I wouldn't expect him to say otherwise. I prefer that they say it outright and blatantly than to just believe it privately but "make nice" publicly.
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001
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mayakovsky
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Babbler # 5171
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posted 11 July 2007 09:41 PM
Not Istanbul but Constantinople and everyone gets the works. Damn, I thought I had the solution to the divide! Shed a tear 'cause I'm missing you I'm still alright to smile Girl, I think about you every day now Was a time when I wasn't sure But you set my mind at ease There is no doubt you're in my heart now Said woman take it slow It'll work itself out fine All we need is just a little patience Said sugar make it slow And we'll come together fine All we need is just a little patience (inhale) Patience... Ooh, oh, yeah Sit here on the stairs 'Cause I'd rather be alone If I can't have you right now, I'll wait dear Sometimes, I get so tense But I can't speed up the time But you know, love, there's one more thing to consider Said woman take it slow Things will be just fine You and I'll just use a little patience Said sugar take the time 'Cause the lights are shining bright You and I've got what it takes to make it We won't fake it, Oh never break it 'Cause I can't take it ...little patience, mm yeah, ooh yeah, Need a little patience, yeah Just a little patience, yeah Some more pati... (ence, yeah) I've been walking these streets at night Just trying to get it right (Need some patience, yeah) It's hard to see with so many around You know I don't like being stuck in a crowd (Could use some patience, yeah) And the streets don't change but maybe the name I ain't got time for the game 'Cause I need you (Patience, yeah) Yeah, yeah well I need you Oh, I need you (Take some patience) Whoa, I need you (Just a little patience is all we need) Ooh, this ti- me....
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Tommy_Paine
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Babbler # 214
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posted 12 July 2007 06:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle: Oh yeah? You should hear what fundamentalist Baptists have to say about you, you idol-worshiper! [/QB]
I attended the baptism of my sister in law's boys years ago, in a Catholic church. My ex's fundamentalist step father attended too, but at one point, under his breath, he whispered to me that it would be the last time he walked into a church devoted to "idol worshiping".
And really, as an athiest and removed from these arguments, after I stop chuckling, I have to concur with his view that it is idolatry, and really forbidden by the ten suggestions. If, you know, one were to believe that stuff. Applying logic to religion though is like trying to nail jelly to the wall.
From: The Alley, Behind Montgomery's Tavern | Registered: Apr 2001
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Boom Boom
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Babbler # 7791
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posted 12 July 2007 08:57 AM
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From: Make the rich pay! | Registered: Dec 2004
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Malcolm
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posted 12 July 2007 08:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by Seeker of Wisdom: No wonder so many Roman Catholics are hiding undercover in Anglican (and other) churches. I would be embarrassed to belong to the RCs too.
I've made the jest elsewhere that the typical North American Roman Catholic is an anonymous Anglican. S/he wants catholic liturgy, catholic sacraments, catholic church order; thinks priests should be allowed to marry; sees nothing wrong with the ordination of women; and doesn't want to listen to the Pope. That pretty much describes mainstream Anglicanism. Seriously though, I'm surprised that this is getting as much ink as it is. The fact that (as unionist points out) 401 news articles thought this was news doesn't make it news. This is consistent with every public statement from Rome on this question for several centuries. It's like announcing that the Conservatives support free enterprise, the Opimium Society likes wine, the Lyric Light Opera Society are fond of Gilbert and Sullivan and most of Saskatchewan likes the Riders.
From: Regina, SK | Registered: Mar 2004
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quelar
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Babbler # 2739
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posted 13 July 2007 11:49 AM
The funny thing is, the Jews for Jesus are the most legitimate of Christian sects (and they are christian, don't fool yourself).Jesus, should you believe in his holiness never said that the laws of the Torah were outdated and could be ignored as we felt necessary. By believing in Jesus and following the Talmudic laws, they're actually following his word closer than anyone else. As for il Papa, good on him, These wars of Resource (oil) and distraction (Terror!!) are getting old and tired, and I could use a good religious war to throw my fervour behind. I ain't seen a good heretical burnin' in some time now.
From: In Dig Nation | Registered: Jun 2002
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Michelle
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Babbler # 560
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posted 13 July 2007 03:48 PM
Most Christians would say that the law was fulfilled in Christ, and that therefore there is no need for us to follow the law.Jesus said that it is not what goes into the body that defiles it, but what comes out (e.g. words and deeds). This is generally interpreted to be a setting aside of the necessity to follow religious laws on food and clothing and the like. Jesus has a lot to say about the ultra-religious people who he felt spent all their time guarding against breaking one of the laws, while neglecting the more important spiritual principles of love, kindness, and forgiveness. (We all know legalistic Christians like that too - it's amazing to me that they can't see themselves in that scripture!) If you read the new testament, you can see the reasons why Christians believe that the old testament law no longer applies.
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001
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quelar
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posted 16 July 2007 09:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle: Most Christians would say that the law was fulfilled in Christ, and that therefore there is no need for us to follow the law. ....If you read the new testament, you can see the reasons why Christians believe that the old testament law no longer applies.
Definitely agree with you on that point, Jebus' message really was that the tolerance love, respect, etc were more important than making sure you walked around an olive tree before sunset on the 3rd sabbath of june, or whatever wild laws there were in there. All I'm saying is that he never said those laws were to be ignored. I've been through this a few times with Xians about the 'old' laws, especially when it comes to the old 'leviticus says gays are evil' and me bringing up the 'yeah but it also says shell fish are an abomination just like gays, I saw you at red lobster last week'. It inveriably leads to the 'Jebus corrected the stupid laws.' In fact, this sort of comes right back to your point that the people reading the scripture are too worried about specific laws and not enough about the message of tolerance and peace. Sounds like we need another Jesus refresher!
From: In Dig Nation | Registered: Jun 2002
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