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jeff house
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posted 14 June 2005 06:23 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Le Monde:

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La Cour suprême de justice argentine a déclaré inconstitutionnelles, mardi 14 juin, les lois d'amnistie qui ont permis à un millier de militaires, coupables d'atteintes aux droits de l'homme sous la dernière dictature (1976-1983), d'échapper à la justice.

Les lois dites du "Point final" et du "Devoir d'obéissance" avaient été votées en 1986 et 1987 pendant l'administration du président radical Raul Alfonsin, sous la pression des militaires. Avec ces lois, le gouvernement d'Alfonsin prétendait calmer la colère des militaires qui grondait suite aux premières convocations judiciaires d'officiers et de sous-officiers de l'armée argentine.


http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3222,36-662147@51-645721,0.html


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lagatta
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posted 14 June 2005 06:33 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bravo! More on this in the progressive Buenos Aires daily Pagina/12: Supreme court ruling: amnesty for torturers unconstitutional

Rather a bit much, after Nuremburg, a law on "The Duty to Obey" as an excuse for crimes against humanity.


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gula
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posted 14 June 2005 07:06 PM      Profile for gula     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am getting ever more hopeful about the future of South America, though they do have a very long way to go. Still they seem for an ever greater part to be on the right road.

Isn't the US using the "Duty to obey" against their deserters. i.e. people refusing to participate any longer in an illegal war?


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jeff house
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posted 14 June 2005 07:21 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Isn't the US using the "Duty to obey" against their deserters. i.e. people refusing to participate any longer in an illegal war?

Yes, they are, but in a different sense than here.

The Argentine law said that soldiers could not be prosecuted for committing war crimes because they had a "duty to obey" their superiors. (Actually, as I recall, they could theoretically refuse "manifestly illegal" orders.)

In other words, the "duty to obey" law in Argentina was a defense against allegations of war crimes.

In the American example, the basic position seems to be: "You signed up, so you have to do what the President orders." No defences offered.


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Michelle
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posted 14 June 2005 07:32 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When they talk about military torturers, are they talking about people in their own military, or about people from other countries who have sought refuge who have been torturers in the past?
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gula
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posted 14 June 2005 07:36 PM      Profile for gula     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Their own military.
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Michelle
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posted 14 June 2005 07:38 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks.

(I know, lagatta, I know. I'll learn it someday. )


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gula
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posted 14 June 2005 07:39 PM      Profile for gula     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:

Yes, they are, but in a different sense than here.

The Argentine law said that soldiers could not be prosecuted for committing war crimes because they had a "duty to obey" their superiors. (Actually, as I recall, they could theoretically refuse "manifestly illegal" orders.)

In other words, the "duty to obey" law in Argentina was a defense against allegations of war crimes.

In the American example, the basic position seems to be: "You signed up, so you have to do what the President orders." No defences offered.


Thanks for the clarification sad though it is.


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