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Hephaestion
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posted 29 January 2005 04:52 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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It is never easy choosing the 10 Worst Corporations of the Year – there are always more deserving nominees than we can possibly recognize. One of the greatest challenges facing the judges is the directive not to select repeat recipients from last year's 10 Worst designation.

The no-repeat rule forbids otherwise-deserving companies – like Bayer, Boeing, Clear Channel and Halliburton – from returning to the 10 Worst list in 2004.

Of the remaining pool of price gougers, polluters, union-busters, dictator-coddlers, fraudsters, poisoners, deceivers and general miscreants, we chose the following – presented in alphabetical order – as the 10 Worst Corporations of 2004:


They list:

1. Abbott Laboratories: Drug-Pricing Chutzpah
2. AIG: Deferred Prosecutions On the Rise
3. Coca-Cola: KillerCoke.org vs. CokeKills.org
4. Dow Chemical: Forgive Us Our Trespasses
5. GlaxoSmithKline: Deadly Depressing
6. Hardee's: Heart Attack on a Bun
7. Merck: 55,000 Dead
8. McWane: Death on the Job

... but then the article is abruptly cut short and the last two are missing...???

Still and all, it's an excellent article. Read it here...

[ 29 January 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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Boom Boom
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posted 29 January 2005 10:02 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd be more interested in reading which are the ten worst _Canadian_ corporations. There's a couple in this article, although it's a bit dated: http://www.life.ca/nl/58/editorial.html

[ 29 January 2005: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]


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Hephaestion
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posted 29 January 2005 10:46 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, Boom Boom, both those are both *American* corporations in your article.

So which 10 Canadian corporations would babblers nominate for the "Worst 10 of 2004"?

I'll get the ball rolling by nominating Canwest Global. Do I NEED to drag out the multitudinous reasons?


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thorin_bane
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posted 29 January 2005 11:15 AM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
lol do we even have 10 corpoartions that aren't an american subsidy? Alcan maybe or Magna
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posted 29 January 2005 11:17 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
[QB]Sorry, Boom Boom, both those are both *American* corporations in your article. QB]

I think American corporations doing business in Canada are fair game. WALmart would be at the top of my list.


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posted 29 January 2005 11:18 AM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thorin_bane:
lol do we even have 10 corpoartions that aren't an american subsidy? Alcan maybe or Magna

Loblaw's?


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remind
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posted 29 January 2005 11:30 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I nominate the Jimmy Pattison Group for one of the worst Canadian companies. Which is the 3rd largest privately held corp in Canada.
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Hephaestion
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posted 29 January 2005 11:32 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Canada Fucking Steamship Lines! Grrrrr!!!
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thorin_bane
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posted 29 January 2005 11:47 AM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I second that heph
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posted 29 January 2005 01:09 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I third CSL. Wish I thought of that one first! Do they still flag "flags of convenience" today?
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posted 29 January 2005 01:31 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Equitable Life Insurance.

Cheap fuckers denying valid claims and making it difficult for their policy holders.


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 29 January 2005 05:25 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"CFSL" (thanks for the new acronym) does indeed still fly anything but the maple leaf.
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posted 29 January 2005 06:56 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Too early to gauge how this works out, but doesn't look good - from today's Star:

P&G marriage to Gillette to cost 6,000 jobs
Canadian staff less vulnerable: Analyst

Creates biggest consumer-products firm:
Procter & Gamble's blockbuster $57 billion (U.S.) acquisition yesterday of Gillette Co. will probably cost 6,000 jobs throughout the two companies' operations, which include locations in Toronto and Mississauga.


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Left Turn
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posted 29 January 2005 09:37 PM      Profile for Left Turn        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stelco.

The following article from the Marxist-Lenninist Party of Canada shows why

One Year of Resistance to Stelco's CCAA


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Fidel
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posted 30 January 2005 03:13 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1. Nortel #@!$%&
2. ALCAN Intl. - parasites
3. Irving - polluters, parasites
4. Canada Steam Ship Lines - anti-Canadian tax dodgers, thank to the Martin family

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Buttle
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posted 30 January 2005 05:53 AM      Profile for Buttle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Molson's for merging with Coors. Coors with the connections to David Duke and the KKK.
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C.Morgan
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posted 30 January 2005 12:54 PM      Profile for C.Morgan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny how this falls under 'walking the talk'. I have mentioned this before and I feel that it is worth mentioning again.

Organized labor holds a pile of shares in almost all of the corporations above. Nothing effects corporate behavior more than money (I think we can all agree on that.

If you want to do more to these corporations than bitch about their practices, may I suggest that you lobby one of their major shareholders.

That being the Ontario Teachers Union. If the union threatened to dump millions of the stock that they own in any of the corporations that I am listing below, you can rest assured that the corporation will listen. Downward pressure on stocks is the nightmare of all CEOs.

The figures listed below are the Ontario Teachers Unions share numbers. The dollars are in millions. I am just listing those that have been mentioned so far. They own tobacco company shares and other 'evil' shares as well.

Walking the talk indeed.

Alcan Inc. $232.5
GlaxoSmithKline plc $31.6
Molson Inc. $57.0
Magna International Inc. $74.9
Nortel Networks Corp. $168.4
Proctor & Gamble $23.0
Loblaw Companies $36.8


So whats it going to be? Ethical funds with low single digit returns? Or ownership in the evil corporate empire with an 11% return?

I think we know the answer of organized labor.


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Hephaestion
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posted 30 January 2005 01:34 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
... point noted. That's why I am *almost* as mistrusting of Big Labour as I am of Big Business.

But at least Big Labour (ostensibly) works as a democracy of, by and for the membership. There are no such provisions to control Big Business. There, The Almighty Dollar is *all* powerful.

So I'll take my chances with trying to talk sense to the OTU over Canada Fucking Steamship Lines, thanks anyway...


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C.Morgan
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posted 30 January 2005 01:56 PM      Profile for C.Morgan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, the almighty dollar is the only thing that matters to corporations.

Thus those holding the dollars hold some of the responsibility for the actions of the corporation.

Are we going to see a movement to pressure unions that hold shares in the hundreds of millions in these corporations though? Or are we just going to see more sniping at the CEOs who answer only to the shareholders?


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Hephaestion
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posted 30 January 2005 03:38 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are you going to write a letter to the union membership and ask them, or spend your time sniping at them on rabble/babble? I have no control over the OTU, unfortunately.
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posted 30 January 2005 04:01 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
C. Morgan, if you'd like to discuss the OTU pension plan in more detail, why don't you start a separate thread?

Many of us know that the OTU plan has invested in some highly questionable companies. As Radiorahim pointed out over on the Loblaws thread, though, the teachers do not have control over their plan, rather, the Ontario government does. The Teachers have at times made noises about demanding greater control, although I don't know how frequently or seriously. Unless the Teachers establish control over their own plan, though, its really the Ontario government's ethics that are subject to question not the union members.

On the Loblaws thread, you responded to Radiorahim with some comment about the Teachers' plan having a good return on investment, which didn't really address the control or ethical responsibility points at all.

Anyway, I think this deserves its own thread. I could start it but I would prefer if you did, assuming you are actually interested in exploring this topic rather than just using it as a debating ploy. I'm interested in your opinion whether union members' pension funds ever should be invested according to any criteria other than the highest short-term rate of return to capital.

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C.Morgan
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posted 30 January 2005 04:12 PM      Profile for C.Morgan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No actually I am interested in exploring the topic. I just find that to be an exceedingly easy example to point out. I will lay off that one for now.

I just feel that people are focussing too much on the corporations themselves when they protest or complain when there could be more effective means of having an impact on them.

Pulling some money out of corporations would have immeasurably more impact on their practises than any group of people screaming and banging tamborines at anti-globalization protests.

The main point I am making is that I see an avenue that could have far more impact on the corporations that so many love to hate. But I see no action being taken along those lines.


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posted 30 January 2005 04:28 PM      Profile for angrymonkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Poor CEO's, they're just frontmen for those evil unions.

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Pulling some money out of corporations would have immeasurably more impact on their practises than any group of people screaming and banging tamborines at anti-globalization protests.

Not for public awareness. And if you don't have a majority of the public clamoring for changes in business practices, who's going to change them?

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C.Morgan
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posted 30 January 2005 04:33 PM      Profile for C.Morgan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CEOs for corporations that lose money are not CEOs for long. The shareholders tend to react very swiftly when they are not making a return. They tend to react slowly or not at all when the corporation has ethical shortcomings.

Look to the owners, not the operators and you may begin to have more success.

I wonder how many people who own mutual funds know or even care what those funds are invested in? I dont doubt that many only look at the + or minus at the end of their annual statement.

An exception to the CEO rule though is Robert Milton but that situation is rather unique as he relys on government bailouts rather than profit.


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posted 30 January 2005 04:41 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by C.Morgan:

So whats it going to be? Ethical funds with low single digit returns? Or ownership in the evil corporate empire with an 11% return?

The funny thing is that actually, ethical funds often have perfectly decent returns. That's where my long-term money, such as it is, is parked and it's doing decently. The concern is more just how ethical they really are; their filters often mean relatively little. And evil corporate empires don't generally have 11% returns, either--at least, not over very much time.

Not that I think that sort of thing is a solution. But there's no reason not to go with it while working towards more serious approaches. My money has to go *somewhere*.

To be honest, I tend to think concentrating on particular instances of vicious corporations rather misses the forest for the trees. The structure of corporate governance and the legal system it's intertwined with predispose corporations to become evil. A good introduction to why would be the movie "The Corporation". A corporation is a machine for generating and exploiting externalities. More to the point would be promoting alternative ownership structures for production. Co-ops and such.

[ 30 January 2005: Message edited by: Rufus Polson ]


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posted 30 January 2005 05:10 PM      Profile for C.Morgan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I understand that 11% returns are not too common. That is just the realm of returns for the aforementioned pension group. Hell if I could manage a return like that on my money, I would be retired in a few years.

Co-ops and such could possibly be a great way to start easing the funds that pour into some unethical corporations.

I see ideas such as that as being possibly more productive than simply condeming corporations and protesting.

I think a good deal of people do not realize that if they were to track down the shareholders of these companies, that the trail could very well lead right into their own backyard whether through mutual funds or pension plans.

Exposing that to more individuals may have some effect as well.


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quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:

Not that I think that sort of thing is a solution. But there's no reason not to go with it while working towards more serious approaches. My money has to go *somewhere*.

To be honest, I tend to think concentrating on particular instances of vicious corporations rather misses the forest for the trees. The structure of corporate governance and the legal system it's intertwined with predispose corporations to become evil. A good introduction to why would be the movie "The Corporation". A corporation is a machine for generating and exploiting externalities. More to the point would be promoting alternative ownership structures for production. Co-ops and such.

[ 30 January 2005: Message edited by: Rufus Polson ]


I agree completely RP That is a great movie that isn't that dry. It should be shown to classes in civic courses. Steve Wilson is at ABC 7 in detroit right now. Also I think he was the voice of annanymous #2 in "Outfoxed"


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