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Here's a great recipe for Newfoundland Style Pea Soup.

Newfoundland Pea Soup

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But Rudy does not make me throw up

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Then you haven't been paying attention.

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Originally posted by The Canadian Centrist:I love Obama but so annoyed by all of his sayings and fake talking of Jesus...

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Originally posted by remind:

As opposed to Guiliani's incessant 911 911 911 911 911

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How can we ever take you seriously when you actually admit to finding Captain 9-11 acceptable?

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Giuliani's kinda like a pitbull. He's great when you have a burglar, but if you don't, he just might eat your kids.

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Cultural Kitchen: the oppression olympics

Chris Rock is hi-fucking-larious. He says a few problematic things, and if you're a fan of Hillary you probably won't like his piece.

Scroll down a bit to the Youtube link.

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All I'm saying here is Rudy is socially progressive

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Originally posted by The Canadian Centrist:

Look at the other Republicans; anti-gay, racist, religious freaks... Rudy is not... Just like a not so great hockey player will look like a good one on a team where no one else can even skate... get it now!

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Canadian Centrist, if I understand you, and you're not trolling, what you're saying is he's the best of a rotten bunch.

So, if Romney, McCain and the others (including Bush) are so horrible, they're like the equivalent of getting smashed in the face with a baseball bat 50 times, then Guiliani's like getting smashed in the face with a baseball bat 45 times?

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White women burn their bras, Black men were burned alive!... No white women have ever been assassinated!"

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My opinion of the Republican frontrunners:
Guiliani: Exploits the 9/11 tragedy for his own political advantage
McCain: Biggest warhawk of the bunch.
Romney: With all his duplicity and flip-flopping, I'm not sure he even has politicial positions.
Huckabee: Way off to the social right, with no credability on any other issues.

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Interestingly, while Steinem gets flamed for asking women to vote for a woman, Chris Rock taunts them for not having done so in the last 100 years: "What are you bitches waiting for?!(laugh track)"

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Chris rock never claimed to be a social justice activist, or to have an encyclopedic understanding of the womens movement. His craft is politicaly-incorrect humor, that makes you go HMMM ..

I don't believe he is taunting women, I see it more like saying women are overdue for uniting together to create change.

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...I don't believe he is taunting women, I see it more like saying women are overdue for uniting together to create change.

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Originally posted by martin dufresne:
It's, in so many words, "Who the f*** do they think THEY are for thinking their oppression can even compare and allow them to stand in the way of a possible Black American candidate?"
It is that context that makes his words a taunt.

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dude .. Black American women are women too are they not? Please lets step out of this mental mastubation.

The universe does not revolve around white women. and the so called progressives, need to wrapped their minds around the concept of women of colour, who have the double whammy of race and gender as major factors in their lives.

Asking them to deny either, is insulting.

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dude .. Black American women are women too are they not? Please lets step out of this mental mastubation.

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The universe does not revolve around white women. and the so called progressives, need to wrapped their minds around the concept of women of colour, who have the double whammy of race and gender as major factors in their lives.

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But I did not address the bigotry and misogyny women of colour experience at the hands of those within their own rational groups. And not because it is not there, as it is in the form of Chris Rock, but because I feel it is up to the women in their own racial groups to expose and name.

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Asking them to deny either, is insulting.

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Remember there is an overwhelming number of the poor in the western world are racialised and feminine.

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As in evident by the trafficing of women from that part of the world to Europe and the Americas, as a modern day slaves.

Even if we choose to ignore that and included the ex-soviet world, anyone who is paying attention knows that the majority of the worlds poor, are in the global south. I fail to understand, why that needs to be proven to anyone here.

The link to Chris Rock. was talking about the "oppression olympics".

This is not a competition. I have no idea, why some feel minority women, need to put their issues on the back burner. If you don't know anything about that sad aspect of the white feminist movement or are uncomfortable about those facts. Then maybe you have not been paying attention.

You can choose to be part of the movement to change the pattern of oppressing racialised groups, or you can continue the fight for white supremacy.

I honestly am not interested in continuing this racist debate with you or anyone else.

We are supposed to be creating a safe space to discuss issues, without having to fight, about how foolhardy it would be to insist that white peoples perspectives are supreme, and all other peoples perspectives should be put on the back burner.

We are dealing with a racist, patriarchal, colonial system. What we need to do is to simultaneously work to reduce all the systems of oppression. Its not about picking one or the other, especially considering the fact that some of the people in the movement are directly negatively affected by race, gender and colonialism.

I shall let my sisters in the struggle, share with your their views. I'm sure some have already in the feminism section of babble.

And if you really want to know more, you can find countless resources from racialised feminist, as they discuss the challenges they face withing the mostly white feminist movement. Ignorance is bliss to some, but I and my sisters are not blissfully at this movement continues to ignore our voices. *shaking my head *

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The presidential candidate who sang "Bomb bomb Iran" is already looking towards the war after the war in Iraq.

Sen. John McCain told a crowd of supporters on Sunday, "It's a tough war we're in. It's not going to be over right away. There's going to be other wars." Offering more of his increasingly bleak "straight talk," he repeated the claim: "I'm sorry to tell you, there's going to be other wars. We will never surrender but there will be other wars."

McCain did not elaborate who the United States would be fighting. But he did warn the crowd to be ready for the ramifications of current and future battles.

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There is no doubt there is additional bigotry factors facing women of colour. I addressed this over
here. IMV, you can take your condescending and disparging blanket remarks against progressives elsewhere.

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This is absolutely discussing. I don’t event want to begin to address what is fucked up about a white woman telling a poc on a so called “progressive” board to take their "views" elsewhere especially given the context of this discussion.

It’s extremely offensive that the impact of historical white supremasist patriarchy experienced by black women and poc is reduced to “additional bigotry factors”. In case you haven’t figured it out those so called “bigotry factors” you speak of are multi-dimensional and intersectional - that means for racialized people confronting the realities of our lives and our lived experiences in this white supremacist society means living in a world where sexual violence is as much about patriarchy as it is about racism and colonialism and the various other forms of marginalization we experience in our daily lives. Contrary to what the various subcategories on this board would have you believe, we do not have the luxury of compartmentalizing our lives into neat little categories where if people want to talk about the old boys club one can go into the feminist forum and whenever one wants to “explore” race and or indigenous struggles of self-determination, they can go to those “other” forums… and when “we” get tired of doing that cause getting bogged down by identity politics and white hetero-male “guilt” is such a drag “we” can focus on the bigger issues like “class” and “environmental justice” (aptly appropriated title by the way )

“We” all know that white folks (of all genders) have this uncanny ability the free up themselves in the fight for a global sister/brother/personhood of the proletariat or whatever -cause as poc our politics are hopelessly “race based”. It’s shameful for you accuse afrohealer of playing “oppression olympics” then proceed trot out a list of injustices faced by “our” female ancestors -wait don’t you mean YOUR female ancestors who just happen to white surprise surprise. I see the ancestry (re: legacy) of woc is noticeably absent from that piece oh yeah you already addressed woc “issues” in some other thread so it’s okay to go back to the bigger project of defending white womanhood and trust me I know all about the “history” of needing to defend white women from black men like me after all the legacy of lynching and jim crow laws can attest to that (for starters)

And really isn’t this what seems to be at the heart of the issue for anyone who actually scrolled past the chris rock skit and READ the piece in the link bcg posted where for black women the choice between race and gender is a choice between “standing by your man” or “standing up for woman kind” whatever that means between “walking away from race” or “turning your back on your sisters”. It’s really insulting to know that the need and the choice for balck women for poc to make “political” decisions through whatever means we choose comes down to a dichotomy that exists primarily in the eurocentric imagination.

Moreover, I am not going to feel guilt because of white man's patriarchy, I am too busy struggling against it myself to have any guilt. Nor am I going to take men, of any colour's, denigrating words about how us white women need to stop feeling oppressed, or about how insignificant my ancestor's plights were in compare.

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