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Zaklamont
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posted 26 June 2006 03:56 PM      Profile for Zaklamont        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When reading the type and nature of killings going on in Iraq, one begins to wonder why America is so easily equated as the source of destruction in Iraq.

Below is an article on the latest unbelievably barbaric attack against a civilian population.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/06/26/iraq-blast.html


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unionist
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posted 26 June 2006 04:06 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Zaklamont:
When reading the type and nature of killings going on in Iraq, one begins to wonder why America is so easily equated as the source of destruction in Iraq.

Perhaps because they marched in, killed lots of people, overthrew the sovereign government on a lie, are now the occupying power, and legally responsible to ensure law, order and security?

Actually, I wonder whom you would blame as the source of destruction in Iraq. Joseph Stalin? Ayatollah Khomeini? Saddam Hussein? Zarqawi? Mullah Omar? Osama Bin Laden? International Jewry?

C'mon, pick a red herring. Just make sure you ignore the 140,000 U.S. troops illegally occupying Iraq.


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nister
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posted 26 June 2006 04:07 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm "one" who doesn't wonder..I blame America for warmaking, and your post changes that not a whit.
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posted 26 June 2006 04:34 PM      Profile for obscurantist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What one wonders is why the Americans and their ever-shrinking coalition are still in Iraq -- what exactly it is they're doing there. It wasn't much of a stretch to imagine that Saddam Hussein's fall from power would be followed by a civil war. It might be arguable whether the manner of the US invasion and occupation has exacerbated this civil war, but the US certainly precipitated it, and they aren't doing a very good job of stopping it. Their main role in Iraq seems to be to prop up a client state.

So maybe it's wrong to blame the US for all of the violence in Iraq, but they're definitely adding to it, and if they weren't there, it's possible that one of the sides in the civil war might already have won, just as the American presence in Vietnam artificially delayed the end of that country's civil war.

Edit: I realize those two paragraphs are a bit paradoxical, but so is the situation. The US started the civil war. Having done so, the most responsible thing they could have done would have been to get the fuck out of the way.

[ 26 June 2006: Message edited by: Yossarian ]


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Sven
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posted 26 June 2006 04:46 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yossarian:
Edit: I realize those two paragraphs are a bit paradoxical, but so is the situation. The US started the civil war. Having done so, the most responsible thing they could have done would have been to get the fuck out of the way.

I think that the Americans will be leaving (relatively) soon. I hope, for the sake of the Iraqi people, that there will be a stable and democratic government in place when they leave. If the Americans leave and the Iraqis have a stable and democratic government, it will be very interesting to hear what Iraqis themselves have to say about the transition from Saddam to democracy...and whether what the country went through to get there was worth it or not.


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B.L. Zeebub LLD
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posted 26 June 2006 04:48 PM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Zaklamont:
Below is an article on the latest unbelievably barbaric attack against a civilian population.

Only the "latest".


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unionist
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posted 26 June 2006 06:44 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
... the transition from Saddam to democracy...[/QB]

Democracy? My God, words don't mean much, do they?


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Sven
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posted 27 June 2006 09:57 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

Democracy? My God, words don't mean much, do they?


Nowhere is there perfect democracy (or republicanism). But, on the political spectrum, Iraqi is a hell of a lot closer to democracy today than it ever was in the last several decades.

In any event, it's moving in the right direction, no?


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rici
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posted 27 June 2006 11:07 PM      Profile for rici     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, Sven: I have a golf course for sale in Florida I'm sure you'd be interested in.

Well, actually it's not a perfect golf course, but then the perfect ones are really expensive. I know some people call it a swamp, but I did convince the crocodile to move to Tallahassee so it doesn't really qualify as a swamp any more.

The ground's a bit damp, but I've thought really hard about it being a golf course, so, you know, it's almost there.

I'd be open to any reasonable offer, and you seem like the ideal purchaser.


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