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molly-tov
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posted 21 March 2006 11:07 AM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
HIHI!!!
I am currently working on a zine and possibly a blog for a class project in Women's Studies for a girl culture class. The project that I am working on is about women/girls and their hairstories. I am writing to ask if anyone is interested in contributing to the project. Whoever participates I will give them a copy of the final zine project, and the more participants, the better the project.

A hairstory can be anything related to your hair, they can be as long or as short or as funny or sad or whatever you want them to be. It could be a poem or a paragraph or a rant or a journal entry, whatever. I am also going to participate and submit a story, we all have stories about hair (whether we have hair or not). So i am basically exploring the significance of hair to womyn, acknowleging the uniqueness of one's experience.

If you wanted to submit a photo for either the zine or blog (or both) along with a hairstory, that would be amazing, too.

*******I need to collect stories this week********

Anyway, if you are interested or if you have any friends that might be, please let me know. I am pretty excited about this project and feel it will be a really fun zine.

Also, because it is a class project, I need your informed and free consent. This project is approved by MSVU ethics. You must give permission if you are submitting a photo, or a story or whatever. I am sure I am making this sound way more complicated than it actually is! Basically I would either need your signature, or your permission through an email or something. I also need to send any participant the written details about the project and informed consent. If you want to participate but don't know what to say, I could ask you some questions via email or whatever.

So ya, just wondering!
If you are interested, pm me and I will send you the info. Thanks! Jane


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ephemeral
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posted 21 March 2006 01:47 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll answer questions.
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molly-tov
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posted 21 March 2006 04:26 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
heya! yay! thanks! i pm'd you!
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posted 21 March 2006 04:42 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
molly-tov, I'll join in, if you want stories of agony and depression.

On my own, I would mainly talk about how deathly boring I find sitting in a hairdresser's chair to be, which is why my hair is so often growing out into a mullet shape that I really detest.

But if you have more sensible questions, I could try to be upbeat.


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posted 21 March 2006 04:49 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ohhh that would be so lovely!
i am eager to hear Any of your hairstories. i have suggested a couple of questions for people who were stuck, but it sounds like you have some great ideas! i would love to hear them. may i email you details and the informed consent form for the project? i will mail you the final zine after!
thanks for expressing interest!!!
p.s. i would've pm you, but your mailbox is full!
you can pm me or email me: [email protected]
thanks so much!!!

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posted 21 March 2006 06:04 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
molly-tov, I have fixed the PM problem, momentarily. *blush*

I want people to know, btw, that I don't actually get all that many PMs. The box is full because I find it hard to delete a lot of them. Over this many years, lovely people (like molly-tov) have sent so many lovely things that I really don't want to lose, so I guess what I should do is knuckle down and copy everything into a wp program, then clean out the box.


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posted 21 March 2006 06:30 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have a hair-story, molly-tov. Depending on how it's told, it could be embarrassing or funny. Proceed with caution!
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posted 22 March 2006 02:07 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
lovely people (like molly-tov) have sent so many lovely things that I really don't want to lose

*raises white flag*

you seem to be pretty awesome, skdadl!

should i post the informed consent and information form in a pm, or would you prefer to have it emailed?

kuri, i pm'd you!


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posted 22 March 2006 02:08 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PM is ok now, molly-tov.
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posted 22 March 2006 04:28 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was literally just talking about my worst hairstory. I'll join in if you need more people.
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molly-tov
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posted 22 March 2006 04:32 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
holy fate!
i would love that! i am gonna pm you right now

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posted 24 March 2006 02:19 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Done.
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posted 24 March 2006 11:06 AM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh beautiful, thanks for sharing your story. i pm'd you with some further datails! we'll talk soon!
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posted 24 March 2006 11:46 AM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oooh! Oooh! Me too! I posted the story on the 'have you ever cut your own hair' thread, but I will PM it to you later today (gotta run to logic class now).
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posted 24 March 2006 10:31 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
super-duper! i pm'd you! anyone else? i will be mailing out the zine to contributors on april 10!!!
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posted 25 March 2006 05:38 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps some research into how many senior women today have to wear wigs because of their long term use of hairdressing products. Or all the women who have contracted lomg term health effects from long term exposure form applying the hairdressing chemicals as hairdressers themselves.
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posted 25 March 2006 05:47 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
otter, get with the program. First, this is the feminist forum. Second, molly-tov was asking for stories. Go grump somewhere else.
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*yawn* otter, why don't you just come out and say that you hate women? Then maybe you could just buggar off.

molly-tov I think your project sounds interesting. Do you need any more stories? God knows I've had some, er, hair raising experiences!

edited to add: As ever, fern hill is more diplomatic than I am.

[ 25 March 2006: Message edited by: Nikita ]


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posted 25 March 2006 05:59 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by otter:
Perhaps some research into how many senior women today have to wear wigs because of their long term use of hairdressing products. Or all the women who have contracted lomg term health effects from long term exposure form applying the hairdressing chemicals as hairdressers themselves.

You know what? I would like you to stop with the patronizing way you've been telling women on this forum what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies/hair/make-up/clothes. This is the last time I'm going to tell you.

It's one thing to talk about the commercialization of women's product or to talk about the beauty myth or whatever. It's another thing entirely for a man to be constantly lecturing women in the feminism forum about how unprogressive they are if they wear make-up or do body/hair alterations. Enough!


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posted 25 March 2006 06:37 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle, thanks. I'm really sick of otter's patronising, controlling crap. It seems a bit twisted to me.
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posted 25 March 2006 06:47 PM      Profile for peppermint     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just see him as a semi interesting type of trollus babblarius
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posted 25 March 2006 07:33 PM      Profile for Toedancer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do you have enough stories Jane?

This seems a good way to come out of my self-imposed internet ban; I think I took Lent a little too far.

I once set my own hair on fire, as well as my winter hood, in a pub. It was extremely long then. I had no idea it was on fire whatsoever, until my brother's eyes began to big and round and scary. A waitress poured an entire jug of beer on top of me. We stayed anyway as the night was young.

I also harbour some twisted beliefs that hair says alot about people, that strength is carried in our hair. I'm also very partial to my hair colour, and my eyebrows are turning pure white, which is causing me some distress, altho my eyes look greener because of it. Anyway, maybe that is NOT the kind of story your wanting.


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posted 25 March 2006 11:07 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
thanks to everyone who has shown support in this project and to those who have shared their own stories. hearing these stories has been fantastic and fascinating.

i am still taking stories and would love to hear from anyone.

for this particular school project, i am getting clarification tomorrow if i may include stories of people outside the narrow age bracket i had initially proposed to ethics. my interest in hearing from young women in particular is because the class i am taking is about girl culture. one of the concepts we have discussed in this class is how many womyn refer to themselves as girls and how it has the potential to be a fluid term, one that transgresses age. hairstories are memories and i think my initial proposed age group is far too limiting. anyway, i will know tomorrow if i am able to include stories from people who are not within the age bracket for this project.

in any case, i am eager to hear your hairstories. pm me if you are interested.
and burned hair ooohhhhhh! but still you rock! thanks peeps!
ps. i am really interested in feminist standpoint theory and method and feminist research praxis. i hope to try and use these methods in the sense that i am merely a conduit in this research, i am not altering the content. i also want to do this in order to collect and create and give out. plus, valuing subjective knowledge, listening to personal narratives, believing the stories people tell, and valuing oral history is part of feminist knowlege production and feminist epistemology. most of all, i am very interested in hearing from womyn about their hair experiences, or what their hair means to them. the best part about this (for me) is that people choose what stories to share.


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posted 26 March 2006 12:33 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe the womyn who are older than your age bracket could tell you their tales of their hair when they were younger. Or do the stories have to be written by younger women? What is the age bracket anyway?
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My main memory as a young teen in the early to mid-1960s was the need to have stick-straight hair, preferably long. Problem is, my hair is very curly/kinky. I only processed it once - it would stay straight but then "go home", as "coloured" people in South Africa say, whenever it rained.

The hippie era when our long hair could to its own thing and Afro styles came into vogue for curly and kinky hair was a great liberation for my hair and me!

The only current hair story I'd have as a "grown woman" is that, much as otter dislikes the idea, I'm really not prepared for greying hair yet, as about the only thing I'm really vain about is having very dark hair and blue-green eyes.


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posted 26 March 2006 01:39 PM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
My main memory as a young teen in the early to mid-1960s was the need to have stick-straight hair, preferably long.

I always knew that my hair belonged to another era entirely.
My perfect, stick-straight, long hair was unacceptable in the mid-80s to 90s, when women had to have big hair to be noticed. That meant curlers, perms, backcombing, hairspray and a number of other techniques I could never quite master...when my hair 'went home' that meant it rebelled against the smelly, starchy sprays and pulled out of the curls back to its wonderful straightness.


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quote:
Originally posted by ephemeral:
Maybe the womyn who are older than your age bracket could tell you their tales of their hair when they were younger. Or do the stories have to be written by younger women? What is the age bracket anyway?

She informed me last night she was asking for the age bracket to be extended. Now you've got me wondering about my current age and the age I was when my hair was on fire. Oh well, she will inform us as soon as she knows I suppose.


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posted 26 March 2006 09:19 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hello! i had initially proposed the age bracket in light of the class, girl culture. i am now interested in collecting any hair stories from any womyn and see it fitting into the larger scholarship of women's studies, and into my project in terms of hair and memory. i will be speaking with my supervisor tomorrow to see if this is possible. however, because of such positive responses, after my class ends (on april 3) i will be maintaining the blog and zine and they will be autonomous projects which will not require ethics at all. so tomorrow i will know what can go into the project due april 3 and hopefully all of the stories can go in. otherwise, i will open up the project on april 3 as independent from school and will not have age limitations. i think it was a bad idea in the first place. so, either way, please submit your stories and depending on how things go tomorrow, you will either need to sign ethics or not.

every contributor will receive a zine, period. i am sending out the zines on april 10. i will take submissions up until friday of this week. i will continue to collect stories beyond that, but they will appear in the next zine issue. the zine i send out on april 10 will have submissions that i have received by friday, march 26, 2006. if anyone has any questions or anything either post them here or pm me. thanks and sorry for any confusion. thanks again for your interest and your stories!


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posted 26 March 2006 09:23 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ephemeral:
Maybe the womyn who are older than your age bracket could tell you their tales of their hair when they were younger. Or do the stories have to be written by younger women? What is the age bracket anyway?

sorry, there was no specific age group noted in my ethics application, just an indication of researching "young women", which is a highly subjective term. i will figure this out tomorrow for sure!!!


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posted 26 March 2006 09:35 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ps. i just learned about processing today and canadian winters and hair breaking, so intense...
strange how hair can be so stubborn.
i am also interested in corporeality - is hair a body part? what does it mean to cut it?
i also learned about the practice of wearing wigs among orthodox jewish wives.
i think for my presentation i will begin with the song, "shaved women" by crass which recalls the punishment of women in france who were suspected of having "affairs" with nazis. very intense song.
also, i bought a cheap crimper today!
there is just all these things...

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posted 27 March 2006 10:38 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ok so what i have determined is that i will include the stories that i have collected from young women to complete this assignment. after the class project is finished (april 3) i will continue to maintain these projects (the blog and the zine) independent from msvu. i will then include any and all submissions from women. in other words, please submit your stories to me, regardless of your age.
for the purpose of this project for school, i am wrapping that up now. if we have already been in contact, please submit your story and provide an address for me to mail you a zine. i can still include submissions that i receive by friday at the latest. i will mail out the zine on april 10. thanks! jane!

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Molly-tov, I'm getting my hair cut super super short today at 1:30! I called up the hairdresser this morning on a whim, and she had a spot available today. Woohoo!! Everybody's gonna be so surprised.
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I got my hair and beard cut short two days ago, because it's warming up quite a bit here. I keep both long all winter. I haven't got the courage to shave the beard off, though - I've had a beard constantly since 1994.
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Beards are sexy.
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Beards are very sexy. One man once confessed to me he kept a beard because he was embarassed by a scar that ran across his chin. Which I found even more sexy.

Another man, my 1st husband, kept a beard because he felt he had a 'weak' chin. On a holiday in Mexico he went to a barber and had the thing removed. I didn't recognize him when he walked towards me, having never seeing him without one. Completely missed him. He approached to kiss me and I jumped back ready to strike. When he spoke and then tried to kiss me, I squirmed because it felt incestuous, he so looked exactly like his older brother.

He did not have a weak chin. Silly bugger.


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Moving back to women (though I also like beards; thought it was a dreaded sign of my age) how about facial hair on women?

Like many, many women with thick, dark hair, I'd have a bit of a Frida Kahlo moustache if I didn't remove it, which I do. Just can't deal with people's reactions to it. I'm not talking about anything like hormonally abnormal hair growth, just those normal facial hairs being dark there.


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posted 29 March 2006 04:52 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh lagatta, thank you for bringing up this important topic. Maybe we should start another thread about women and body hair. My eyebrows meet, but they're not very thick at all in the middle. I wax in the middle though because it just looks neater. I've got a fair bit of facial hair (I think); perhaps it's only more noticeable because I've got dark hair. Most people don't seem to think I have a hairy face anyway! I also wax my moustache every few months. But I'm gonna be frank here. Lots of women have nipple hair, but nobody seems to want to talk about this, and men I've met don't want to accept this fact. Anyway, women and body hair, I don't think we have had a thread on that yet.

Oh, btw, I just chopped all my hair off. Molly-tov, I was gonna send you another picture, but my do is almost identical to the pictures you already have of me with short hair. Everybody's gonna be sooo surprised. Nobody has seen me yet, except thwap's mum. Ooh la la, I look tres chic, tres moderne. I luvvve it! My hair is standing up a bit higher than in the pictures, molly-tov. I look somewhat like a mannequin, but I can lower the height easily. And I will remember to sleep on my face tonight.

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posted 29 March 2006 06:41 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We've had a body-hair thread in the past. It was surprisingly contentious!

Just cut my own hair for the first time in years. What fun!


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posted 30 March 2006 01:18 AM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ooohhh ephemeral, sounds amazing! it is incredible how transformative hairstyles are on you! you look so different in each photo!
a couple of people gave in submissions about body hair, they were really insightful and clever.
i was going to dye my hair for the presentation, but i didn't have it in me. i am way too invested in my natural hair right now. instead, i bought a crimper and now i rock the side ponytail.

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quote:
Originally posted by writer:
Just cut my own hair for the first time in years. What fun!

Oh wow, writer, how short is it? Do you like it? Does everyone else like it? Did you put any groovy colours in it also?


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I've had very short hair, and many different colours, for the last seven years. I want to let it be for a while. The cut itself isn't very radical. I'm not sure many people have even noticed.

But cutting it felt great. It's off my neck. It looks okay. And I didn't need to pay an expert to take care of this part of my body.


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