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Indiana Jones
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posted 29 January 2008 05:28 AM      Profile for Indiana Jones        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's been a lot of good discussion over on this thread http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=003575 about possible vice presidential candidates but i don't want to derail that thread too much so thought I'd start a new one where we can speculate on who the different candidates will pick.

On the Dems side, it's obvious that either Clinton or Obama will be the nominee but I don't think a Clinton-Obama ticket in any combination will happen. They've attacked each otehr too much adn the Clintons really value loyalty. There's been some talk that Clinton has already promised the spot to Evan Bayh of Indiana. The Clintons are also clsoe to Bill Richardson, who is definitely experienced and probably brings strenght to the ticket, being from an important western swing state and being seen as more moderate or "regular guy."

Richardson could also be a good addition to the Obama for msot of the same reasons. Obama's big drawback is that he lacks experience so needs someone with a lot - similar to a Cheney figure (but without all the scariness). Joe Biden could fit the bill. Jim Webb would be another interesting choice. he's new to politics but is a decorated military veteran with a son currently serving so he could really blunt any attacks against the democrats on war issues. And if they could take Virginia, that would be a big help.

On the GOP side, I think it's trickier because i could see the possibility of a brokered convention where candidates make deals to get teh nomination. I've heard speculation that Giuliani has now prety much accepted that he's gonna lose, but thinks he can get enough delegates by winning New York and New Jersey that he could play kingmaker at the convention in exchang for the VP spot.

I've heard that if McCain gets the nomiantion, he'd be looking at Governor Charlie Crsit of Florida, who jsut gave him a big endorsement and is from an important swing state teh GOP needs to win. He's also close to Lindsey Graham of SC, but I don't think a southern senator brigns much to the ticket. mcCain already has teh experience and given his age, there's a lot of talk that he'd only serve one term and is looking for an "apprentice" type VP to take over in 4 years. I've heard Huckabee's name mentioned, which may be smart because the social conservatives have never been too fond of McCain but he needs them to turn out in big numbers on E-day. Senator Sam Brownback who endorsed McCain after dropping out early could also be a good bridge-builder to evangelicals and has a lot of foreign policy experience to boot.

If it's Romney, I really ahve no idea who he'd pick. probably a senator with a lot of foreign policy experience who is a solid social cosnervative with ties to the party's right wing, but I can't think of who that may be off the top of my head.


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KenS
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posted 29 January 2008 07:13 AM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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If it's Romney, I really ahve no idea who he'd pick. probably a senator with a lot of foreign policy experience who is a solid social cosnervative with ties to the party's right wing

Most definitely not the latter. If he gets the nomination he'll be done with pandering, or even tipping to, the party's right wing.

The only reason for tipping to them would be to get them to work- but they won't do that for him anyway.


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KenS
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posted 29 January 2008 07:19 AM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Obama's big drawback is that he lacks experience so needs someone with a lot - similar to a Cheney figure (but without all the scariness). Joe Biden could fit the bill.

This keeps coming up, and the US commentators keep talking about it. But it's only generally true.

In a 2008 election Obama would either face McCain who will get his party absolutely wolloped if he talks much about foreign policy; or it will be Romney with nothing to worry about there.

Not to mention, that if Obama wins he'll be emphasising turning things around, Americans feeling good and doing good by themselves. Its the home front and the economy stupid.


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Wilf Day
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posted 29 January 2008 08:29 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Based on the famous Curse of Tecumseh George W. Bush has cheated fate so far. If he survives to the end of his term, the USA is overdue for a president to die in office. And for another example, everyone knew Benazir Bhutto was at risk, but she kept sticking her head up anyway.

So perhaps the biggest qualification for a VP candidate for either Obama or Clinton is that, when some nut hears a message from God to cleanse the office of the (black, or woman, as the case may be), the VP should be qualified to be a good president.


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KenS
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posted 29 January 2008 08:50 AM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the days of picking a Spiro Agnew are over.

[The idea is chilling, but the Bushies would have had 100% confidence in Cheney taking the reigns.]

I don't think anyone would even go for a harmless fool like Ford these days.


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posted 29 January 2008 10:40 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
Based on the famous Curse of Tecumseh George W. Bush has cheated fate so far. If he survives to the end of his term, the USA is overdue for a president to die in office. And for another example, everyone knew Benazir Bhutto was at risk, but she kept sticking her head up anyway.

So perhaps the biggest qualification for a VP candidate for either Obama or Clinton is that, when some nut hears a message from God to cleanse the office of the (black, or woman, as the case may be), the VP should be qualified to be a good president.



Or someone so scary, no one will dare shoot the President.

It could be why Dubya has escaped the "curse".


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Stockholm
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posted 29 January 2008 10:45 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I think the days of picking a Spiro Agnew are over.

You don't have to go that far back. Remember Dan Quayle?


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Albireo
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posted 29 January 2008 10:57 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wilf Day:
Based on the famous Curse of Tecumseh George W. Bush has cheated fate so far. ...
Heh...
quote:
Legend: A death curse threatens U.S. presidents elected in years evenly divisible by twenty.
Lucky for Bush that he wasn't really elected in 2000. But then, some say that Kennedy's win in 1960 was stolen as well, and he didn't escape the curse.

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Malcolm
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posted 29 January 2008 07:23 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As I said in the other thread, the fact that the Obama and Clinton campaigns have been going at each other hammer and tongs is irrelevant. The reason there won't be an Obama - Clinton or Clinton - Obama ticket is that neither does anything to balance the perceived weaknesses of the other.

You mention Jim Webb of Virginia. He is relatively new to electoral politics, but not to senior government. The former Republican was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan. The main advantage here is that Webb's history balances any perceive weakness of either Clinton or Obama on defence/ The fact that his son actually served in Iraq (unlike the children of most Beltway insiders) is merely icing on the electoral cake.


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 29 January 2008 08:25 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obama-Boxer?

Edwards, BTW, is being touted as a potential Attorney General under President Obama


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KenS
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posted 29 January 2008 08:35 PM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The AG thing is just trial lawyers dreaming of paradise.

Edwards would have a lot of clout and profile as a VP for Obama. They have a similar desire to reach out and energize.

He might also get to play that role for policy wonk Pres Clinton. But then there's Bill. Plus the problem that if he's not on the Clinton ticket and she loses, he can run for Pres again in 2012... but not as 2 time loser [on the ticket]. My hunch is he would go for it anyway if she offered it to him.


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posted 29 January 2008 10:22 PM      Profile for wage zombie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If HRC wins then i think Wesley Clark would be a good and potential running mate. Bill Richardson will probably be making an endorsement this week, and if it's for Clinton then he'd also be a good pick. Although i don't think Clinton needs to focus too much on finding someone experienced since her husband will have a big role in her presidency. There are many Senators she could pick--Evan Bayh or former Senator Harold Ford (both DLC types).

I have no idea who Obama would pick. I'd like to think Edwards. I've Janet Napolitano's name quite a bit but i don't know much about her. She's endorsed Obama but i suspect her name is coming up a lot because people are prone to speculation.

It won't be Jim Webb though, as the Dems need to hold his Senate seat and there's no one waiting in the wings.


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posted 29 January 2008 10:26 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Obama-Boxer?

Edwards, BTW, is being touted as a potential Attorney General under President Obama


That would be the biggest gain for the left in the US in the last 30 years. Which is telling, in many ways.


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Wilf Day
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posted 29 January 2008 11:49 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Obama-Boxer?

Obama - Pelosi?

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josh
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posted 30 January 2008 05:11 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If it's Clinton, expect Ohio Governor Ted Strickland to get a long look. If it's Obama, Jim Webb, Joe Biden, Strickland, and possibly even Al Gore, would be possibilites. Edwards has indicated that he has no desire to reprive his VP role. But that could change.
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