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jeff house
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posted 29 July 2008 01:10 PM

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The Palestinian human rights group Al Haq said Monday that arbitrary arrests of political opponents have been common since Hamas' takeover of Gaza, with each side trying to defend its turf.
"Arrests for political reasons haven't stopped for a second," Al Haq director Shawan Jabarin told reporters. He estimated that before the latest sweeps, more than 1,000 people had been seized by each side.
An estimated 20 to 30 percent of the detainees suffered torture, including severe beatings and being tied up in painful positions, said Jabarin, citing sworn statements from 150 detainees.
He said three died in detention in Gaza and one in the West Bank.
"The use of torture is dramatically up," added Fred Abrahams, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch, a U.S.-based group that is releasing its own report on abuse this week.

palestinians torture palestinians

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kropotkin1951
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posted 29 July 2008 01:27 PM

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Al Haq described methods used by interrogators in both territories. Commonly, detainees' heads are covered by sacks and their hands tied behind their backs. They are made to stand for hours. Those who move risked beatings on arms, legs and the soles of feet. Other methods included threats, humiliation and isolation in tiny cells.

I am appalled that the Palestinians would use the same torture techniques that are taught at the School of the Americas and used on prisoners at Git-mo and in Iraq. This highlights the slippery slope that all humans on this planet face when torture becomes a normal and necessary part of the war on terror. Maybe the Palestinians need to get some lessons on running a democracy from Chavez and Morales. I think they should request help from those kinds of countries that have shown a commitment to both democracy and human rights.

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oldgoat
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posted 29 July 2008 01:35 PM

Smooth, kropotkin.

I was wondering how post #2 would go in this.

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Robespierre
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posted 29 July 2008 01:42 PM

Independent oooperation with Bolivia and Venezuela would be a great thing. The United Nations is a joke.

Evo's helicopter crashed the other day one hour after he deboarded it, killed all crew members; Evo said it didn't seen like an accident.

Story: http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=599877

The forces of reaction are not sleeping any where on the planet.

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kropotkin1951
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posted 29 July 2008 01:52 PM

There needs to be a revitalization of the non-aligned nations supporting each other and trying to get beyond the big power diplomacy which has shown itself to be a complete failure in the region for damn near 60 years now.

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unionist
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Babbler # 11323

posted 29 July 2008 02:56 PM

An Israeli colonel has been sent home for 10 days amid allegations he told one of his soldiers to shoot a Palestinian detainee at a checkpoint.

That'll show him.

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Ghislaine
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Babbler # 14957

posted 30 July 2008 04:07 AM

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Originally posted by unionist:
An Israeli colonel has been sent home for 10 days amid allegations he told one of his soldiers to shoot a Palestinian detainee at a checkpoint.
That'll show him.

That is awful - but is it not thread drift?

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Stockholm
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Babbler # 3138

posted 30 July 2008 04:08 AM

None of this matters since people are sitting on death row in Texas.

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kropotkin1951
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Babbler # 2732

posted 30 July 2008 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
None of this matters since people are sitting on death row in Texas.

So onced again one of our right wingers takes a valid thread and trolls it. Anything on topic you would like to share? Maybe some suggestions about who could broker an end to the internal fighting but no just the regular troll troll troll. I really wish you would develop the Syndrome you are named after at least it might add some empathy to your on line personality.

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Stockholm
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posted 30 July 2008 09:10 AM

Yesterday, another babbler started a thread about human rights atrocities in Iran and it quickly got derailed when the usual Iran apologists said that nothing that happens in Iran matters since the US does bad things too.

So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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kropotkin1951
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posted 30 July 2008 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
Yesterday, another babbler started a thread about human rights atrocities in Iran and it quickly got derailed when the usual Iran apologists said that nothing that happens in Iran matters since the US does bad things too.
So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Seems to me a troll is a troll is a troll and you just admitted you purposely TROLLED because someone did it in another thread yesterday. Nice, real nice.

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Caissa
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Babbler # 12752

posted 30 July 2008 10:01 AM

And Bush has just approved the first military execution in over 50 years...

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Stockholm
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posted 30 July 2008 10:03 AM

How come you don't call people "trolls' when they try to minimize or deflect stories about atrocities in Iran?

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Robespierre
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posted 30 July 2008 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
How come you don't call people "trolls' when they try to minimize or deflect stories about atrocities in Iran?

Because he isn't a writer of fiction.

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kropotkin1951
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Babbler # 2732

posted 30 July 2008 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
How come you don't call people "trolls' when they try to minimize or deflect stories about atrocities in Iran?

Because I don't see people here trying to do what you think they are. I see people who want the discourse to be more than Iran Bad Iran Bad. Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran. I have never read any one on this forum actually defend the Iranian government. I don't defend this regime but I do try to deflect this vilification of a country when I have seen that it leads to far more civilian deaths than the Iranian government is currently involved in. Only someone willfully blind will ignore the hardship and atrocities committed on the last nation that was demonized like this. Real Iraqi innocent civilian have died by the hundreds of thousands because of the invasion. I don't want to see that same scenario played out in Iran were thousands of civilians are murdered because their government is oppressing them.

But this is about Palestine. I was serious when I suggested the two leaders with the right democratic credentials and the proven history of trying to deal with fractions fighting within their neighbouring countries. I think that Chavez has proven he can negotiate as a neutral third party in conflict situations and this is what the Palestinians need a neutral third party.

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Caissa
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Babbler # 12752

posted 30 July 2008 10:29 AM

In other news related to Palestine, Olmert is stepping down as PM in September.

The idea of Chavez as a mediator is an interesting one.

[ 30 July 2008: Message edited by: Caissa ]

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