quote: Sexuality is about creativity and self expression, and alternative sexualities should be celebrated, former South African archbishop Desmond Tutu said on Thursday. "You should love who you are," Tutu said in a film-clip message at the opening of the Gay and Lesbian Film Festival in Rosebank, Johannesburg. About 350 gay and lesbian people of all races gathered for the festival. "We are taking our place at the table," said British filmmaker Rikki Beadle-Blair, referring to his discovery of more and more acceptance of gay culture every year he visited South Africa.
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skdadl
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posted 19 March 2005 10:19 AM
Hmmmn -- just noticed that "former archbishop" before Tutu's name. I hadn't realized that he had stepped down. I wonder what relations are like between the South African church and the C of E, whose archbishop has just snubbed the Canadian bishops for their liberal positions on SSM, ordination, and so on.
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Hephaestion
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posted 19 March 2005 10:22 AM
I think he stepped down when he became ill, skdadl. (The poor man has cancer, and apparently it's inoperable.)
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Lena
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posted 19 March 2005 01:27 PM
He ought to say love God and close the gap between who you are and who you could be for the greater glory of God.... Tutu is no heavyweight, nor a spokesman for conherent Christianity
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Hephaestion
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posted 19 March 2005 03:39 PM
I can think of nothing that could speak more eloquently about Desmond Tutu's basic goodness and humanity than to be condemned by the likes of this bigot.
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paxamillion
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posted 19 March 2005 04:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by Lena: Tutu is no heavyweight, nor a spokesman for conherent Christianity
And what are your theological and pastoral credentials, Lena?
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 19 March 2005 05:06 PM
As a woman in the Catholic church, she has none.
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lagatta
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posted 19 March 2005 08:33 PM
I had the honour of interpreting for Archbishop Tutu - and his wife. Both were learned, witty, and seemed full of love for humanity in spite of all the horrid things they had experienced and witnessed under apartheid.
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Gir Draxon
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posted 19 March 2005 09:27 PM
On the contrary, Lena, I beleive that Tutu is a great example of what a Christian should be.
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paxamillion
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posted 19 March 2005 10:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by RealityBites: As a woman in the Catholic church, she has none.
Not so quick my friend. Nuns get some theological training, and often get university degrees paid for by their orders. Some also have pastoral responsibilities as heads of convents or similar structures. Some also take on pastoral responsibilities at prisons and hospitals.
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swallow
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posted 19 March 2005 10:56 PM
Some nuns even write theology Ph D's on the subject lesbianism and spitiruality, although those tend not to get an impramatur.
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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 20 March 2005 12:47 AM
What a very nice man Tutu is. Has he always been pro gay? Does he support gay marriage?
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catje
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posted 20 March 2005 02:15 AM
quote:Originally posted by lagatta: I had the honour of interpreting for Archbishop Tutu - and his wife. Both were learned, witty, and seemed full of love for humanity in spite of all the horrid things they had experienced and witnessed under apartheid.
Lagatta, I am really really jealous. What an amazing man.
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Vigilante
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posted 21 March 2005 07:41 PM
quote:Tutu is no heavyweight, nor a spokesman for conherent Christianity
Gir Draxon
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posted 21 March 2005 08:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by Vigilante:
And who is, Yerry Falwell?
You're thinking of the modern-day Pharisees
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Hephaestion
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posted 22 March 2005 03:50 AM
Yumpin Yimminy! So who *is* this "Yerry Falwell"? Is it someone similar to "Yimmy Swaggart"?
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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 22 March 2005 03:58 AM
I suppose Lena's hero is Rob Anders. After all if Desmond Tutu is "no heavyweight, nor a spokesman for coherent Christianity" then I suppose that's no different from referring too Nelson Mandela, in a pejorative sense of course, as a communist and a terrorist.
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catje
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posted 22 March 2005 05:20 AM
Step right up! Come one come all to the church of Coherent Christianity! That's right folks, we've got a religion that makes sense here! Had to do a bit of fine tuning--kinda got rid of that messy God business--but you know what, you won't even miss him! Come on in, try it for yourselves. Objective truth! Proper puncuation! Going once, going twice . . .
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Rufus Polson
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posted 22 March 2005 05:13 PM
I really like Desmond Tutu. But from when I first heard of him, I always found myself mixing him with a Mordecai Richler book, giving me the result "Desmond Tutu Meets the Hooded Fang"
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Agent 204
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posted 22 March 2005 05:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by Rufus Polson: I really like Desmond Tutu. But from when I first heard of him, I always found myself mixing him with a Mordecai Richler book, giving me the result "Desmond Tutu Meets the Hooded Fang"
Dammit, I thought I was the only one who'd thought of that!
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globetrotter
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posted 22 March 2005 05:23 PM
That makes three of us, then!
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posted 19 March 2005 09:59 AM
Has he always been pro gay? Does he support gay marriage?
