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NEW DEMOCRATIC
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posted 10 November 2007 01:16 AM      Profile for NEW DEMOCRATIC     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the latest developments it looks like Harper has on a parachute with holes in it and he apparntly is on the Airbus, trying to jump off. Mulroney is so close to him, and both will have to hand on to that parachute with the holes in it. Should be a hard landing for both. Lets see is they can roll when they hit the ground. (Joe Bonnevie Moncton NB)
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posted 10 November 2007 06:12 AM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
HaHa...Mulroney is in such a rush to save himself that he grabbed Harper's backpack by mistake and jumped to his demise clutching spare socks and a stale sandwich.

Harper made the right decision cutting the alleged thief loose. Remembering the mess the Liberals made of premature charges,waiting for new evidence makes sense.

I can understand Harper treading carefully here but I can't see him protecting Mulroney at any cost to himself. The CPC are still too green as government to have mastered the ropes of filling their pockets and the Old Boy's Club most likely doesn't have any evidence to use to coerce government into stonewalling the inquiry.

So,Mulroney the "elder statesman" goes from government liability to asset as Harper cuts him loose and claims political credit for open,honest government.


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posted 10 November 2007 06:25 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think so. Canadians aren't so stupid. The allegations in the affidavit are no different then the allegations already made to the CBC of which Harper was so dismissive.

What happened is Harper's response was seen as spiteful and childish by most Canadians who want to know if Mulroney did have his hands in the cookie jar.

If Harper wanted to come off as clean, he would have taken the allegations seriously from the get-go. Instead he tried to protect Mulroney and cast aspersions on the Liberals.

It has backfired. Harper is now responding to pressure and the Liberals can play this to ensure Mulroney's stink sticks to Harper given the close relationship between the two.

But, the NDP should really be waving this about like a red flag. Liberal or Conservative, they are all crooks.


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jester
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posted 10 November 2007 12:51 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe. But, after handing out all the tax cuts, its more likely that Harper will get a pass.

Was Harper protecting Mulroney or was he trying not to step in the mess Mulroney and the Liberals left behind. If the previous Liberal government had not screwed up the investigation and lost the civil suit Mulroney immediately commenced,maybe the alleged thief would have faced the music sooner.

I think Harper showed poor judgement in cozying up to an alleged criminal,especially one accused of using the PMO for sleazy cash-in-a-bag influence peddling.


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posted 10 November 2007 01:58 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These accusations have been floating around forever, and Schreiber has never been exactly a credible source of information. Frankly, if there were a smoking gun, I rather suspect it would have been found by now. Lord knows, the CBC has spent the last 14 years trying.

The good news will be when Harper expands the probe to include accusations of corruption involving Chretien and Martin, where the CBC hasn't seemed very interesting in pursuing sources ad nauseum.


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posted 10 November 2007 02:23 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm French, APR:
These accusations have been floating around forever, and Schreiber has never been exactly a credible source of information.

Can't you just pretend Mulroney is a Liberal for a moment and hate him just like everybody else does?


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posted 10 November 2007 07:58 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

Can't you just pretend Mulroney is a Liberal for a moment and hate him just like everybody else does?


Unlike many, I understand that the real block to progressive policy in Canada is the Liberal Party.

I don't particularly like Mulroney, but if there were anything to the allegations about Schreiber, I really think the CBC would have found something by now. After all, the CBC had been on a mission to get the man for nearly 15 years. So far, nada.


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posted 10 November 2007 08:13 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll bet you an Airbus Mulroney crash lands this time.
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posted 11 November 2007 10:59 AM      Profile for catherine-l        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Harper isn't going to come out of this getting "credit for open, honest government" as jester implies. His office saying that the letter containing allegations [which Harper on Friday called "new allegations"] stopped at the Privy Council Office seven months ago, and even if it was forwarded on to the PMO, "Harper wouldn't have seen it", is just not plausible. No one is going to buy that explanation. The fact that he and/or his office sat on such allegations for months, dismissed any suggestions of investigations, and then had to do an about turn when such allegations became public, means that Harper will not be trusted to handle this appropriately and that calls for an independent investigation (as opposed to advice as to whether an investigation is required) are likely to gain steam.
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posted 11 November 2007 12:01 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by catherine-l:
Harper isn't going to come out of this getting "credit for open, honest government" as jester implies. His office saying that the letter containing allegations [which Harper on Friday called "new allegations"] stopped at the Privy Council Office seven months ago, and even if it was forwarded on to the PMO, "Harper wouldn't have seen it", is just not plausible. No one is going to buy that explanation. The fact that he and/or his office sat on such allegations for months, dismissed any suggestions of investigations, and then had to do an about turn when such allegations became public, means that Harper will not be trusted to handle this appropriately and that calls for an independent investigation (as opposed to advice as to whether an investigation is required) are likely to gain steam.

Of course, catherinel. To you and the handful of others who bother to follow the intricacies of political chicanery,Harper is not absolved. To the legions of Canadians who sit below the salt and of whom only half bother to vote, Harper gave them a tax break and therefore can do no wrong.


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posted 11 November 2007 06:33 PM      Profile for NEW DEMOCRATIC     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS ON TUE SHOULD BE A REAL NEST OF POLITICAL STINGERS. 360 DEGREE HARPER WILL NO DOUBT DO A TURN, DUE TO THE SUDDEN SCANDAL. RESEARCHING HIS PLATFORM IN THE LAST ELECTION, HE SEEMS TO HAVE ALREADY TURNED ON HIS 360. UPON FURTHER RESEARCH I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN A COPY OF THE COURT DOCUMENTS WHERE HIS NAME IS MENTIONED. THERE IS NO DOUBT AS TO WHY HE WANTS TO DISTANCE HIMSELF AND KEEP HIS PEOPLE FROM COMMUNICATING WITH MULRONEY.AGAIN HE IS PUTTING THE MASTER'S MUZZEL ON. CBC RATING SHOULD BE HIGHER WITH THE UPCOMING EVENT. JUST LIKE A HOCKEY GAME I WOULD EXPECT. THE GLOBE AND MAIL, CBC HAVE DONE THEIR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING NOW PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY MAY HAVE A CHANCE. LETS SEE HOW OUR ELECTED MEMBERS RESPOND. I WOULD DARE TO PREDICT THAT MANY OF THE CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERALS ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE RESPONSE FROM THEIR RIDINGS. BOTH PARTIES ARE ON THE HOT SEAT. LIBERALS DUE TO GOMERY INQUIRY, CONSERVATIVES FOR MULRONEY. I WONDER HOW MANY WILL SEND CRYING BRIAN CHRISTMAS CARDS THIS YEAR LET ALONE INVITE HIM TO SPEAK AT THEIR CHRISTMAS PARTIES..
QUESTION: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES WILL HAVE ON THEIR CHRISTMAS LIST? FOR THOSE RESPONDING, THANK YOU, COMMENTS VERY INTERESTING AND ENJOYABLE. THIS IS PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.
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