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Topic: BCTF and teacher Solidarity thread.
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outlandist
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posted 15 October 2005 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by lonecrow:
I had no idea that Gordo was so far to the left! By trying to force the teachers to work without negoitiation he is running a command economy. Thou shalt teach, thou shalt make shoes. No comrade you don't get to discuss its your duty to the people.
Much truth in your statement,lonecrow.Mr. Campbell is reaching so far to the right he will end up no different than the comrades. A subjugated population kept in poverty by a privileged elite - what is the difference if they call themselves communist or capitalist? The BC Liberals consider 27%[?] raises for senior bureacrats normal practice but humble workers should be content with minimal wages because the government has to control costs. Outsourcing public services to foreign companies such as Sodhexo[sp] may improve the government's finances but these companies make their profit from squeezing the payroll,not from increasing efficiency and productivity.
From: ontario | Registered: Aug 2005
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jianadaren
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posted 19 October 2005 11:36 PM
The people at work are very anti-teacher. They do not know that I used to teach (and will probably go back to it soon), so they speak very freely. Sort of feel like a spy  I am very interested in why so much mythology about teaching persists. But one really hit me: one of my co-workers actually believed that many teachers make $100,000 per year. I have noticed that this "salary" has increased considerably over the last decade. Must be due to inflation  And my co-workers complain continually about the state of the workplace, the unfairness, the low wages, etc. If teachers are underworked, have it easy, get great pay, etc, then all I have to say is I guess they made a great career choice where as you (my co-workers) didn't. I think one of the reasons teaching is not a popular profession with the public in BC is that teachers are very vocal! But so what? Every worker complains about something. I guess teachers tend to speak out where most workers keep their thoughts to themselves. One redneck reporter said that some teachers even paid to bring supporters to Victoria. He claimed this was a way of falsely padding the amount of support the teachers claim they have. But is it (if this is true). What's the difference if the supporters remain scattered throughout Vancouver or gather in Victoria. A 100 supporters is still a 100 supporters (figures are mine and are only being used to illustrate a point), although I guess it looks more impressive if they gather in one place. I wonder if the government will just legislate class size by putting numbers into the School Act?
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Keith Anderson
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posted 30 October 2005 11:34 PM
"The people at work are very anti-teacher. They do not know that I used to teach (and will probably go back to it soon), so they speak very freely. Sort of feel like a spy I am very interested in why so much mythology about teaching persists."There is tons of BS thrown around by your side too. Moreso, actually. "But one really hit me: one of my co-workers actually believed that many teachers make $100,000 per year. I have noticed that this "salary" has increased considerably over the last decade. Must be due to inflation" Well, since teachers work only 52.8% of the year, earn an average of $60,500, and end up earning $72,000... you can see how a teacher could make $100,000 in a year. "And my co-workers complain continually about the state of the workplace, the unfairness, the low wages, etc. If teachers are underworked, have it easy, get great pay, etc, then all I have to say is I guess they made a great career choice where as you (my co-workers) didn't." Thats right, teachers do have it great. They shouldn't complain. "I think one of the reasons teaching is not a popular profession with the public in BC is that teachers are very vocal! But so what?" By vocal, you mean militant. So what? Well, it causes tons of problems because your union is constantly complains and often strikes. Then every other nutty union decides "Yay! No work! We're in solidarity!" and the public gets screwed over. This is why I have NO respect for union-loving people. "Every worker complains about something. I guess teachers tend to speak out where most workers keep their thoughts to themselves." They know the conditions going into it. They shouldn't complain. "One redneck reporter" Since he is right-wing, he must be a redneck. "said that some teachers even paid to bring supporters to Victoria. He claimed this was a way of falsely padding the amount of support the teachers claim they have." Well, he could be right. "But is it (if this is true)." I hope you aren't an English teacher. "What's the difference if the supporters remain scattered throughout Vancouver or gather in Victoria. A 100 supporters is still a 100 supporters (figures are mine and are only being used to illustrate a point), although I guess it looks more impressive if they gather in one place." Answered your own questions didn't you? "I wonder if the government will just legislate class size by putting numbers into the School Act?" There are class size restrictions in place, despite the BS being spread around by the BCTF.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 31 October 2005 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by Steve:
Speaking of solidarity... I have a CUPE colleague who is crossing BCTF lines to work. Am I right to be seriously pissed off?
IMO, yes. However,
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This individual is apparently pleading financial need, but both he and his wife are CUPE workers who are entitled to $50 per day strike pay if they'd do picket duty. That amounts to $100 per day which is not much less than what he's making by crossing the lines.
Well, that's not necessarily true. First, it's kind of pointless to say that he and his wife's strike pay *together* are not much less than what *he* makes by crossing. That would suggest that *his* strike pay is less than half what he makes at work.
Second, many CUPE locals are members of CUPE national but not CUPE BC. My local, for example. Being in both costs more in dues. The problem is that if you're just in CUPE national, strike pay doesn't kick in until you've been off for ten days. So when I went out in support of teachers, I got zip strike pay. But hey, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes. I have no respect for people who crossed.
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Albireo
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posted 30 January 2006 10:02 PM
Keith Anderson, if your profile is correct, you are 16 years old. You may have adopted a set of beliefs, but I'm pretty sure that you don't know everything. I thought that I did when I was 16, but I didn't.If you stick around to do more than just argue, and actually listen to some of the various points of view (and there are many different points of view around here), then you'll find this to be an interesting place. A good example: the thread that you started with your very first post on babble. You should take the time to listen to the responses. You may find that the world is not as black and white as you thought it was. [ 31 January 2006: Message edited by: Albireo ]
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