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Webgear
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posted 14 February 2008 01:18 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"President George W. Bush has ordered the Pentagon to use a Navy missile to attempt to destroy a broken U.S. spy satellite and thereby minimize the risk to humans from its toxic fuel."

This unbelievable, President Bush has no limits.


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Slumberjack
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posted 14 February 2008 01:41 PM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Standard SM3 Missile Specs

Seems like it has the range and ceiling to make a sub-orbital intercept feasible.


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oldgoat
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posted 14 February 2008 01:43 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Poor li'l dude's running out of things to shoot at.
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Slumberjack
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posted 14 February 2008 01:53 PM      Profile for Slumberjack     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:
Poor li'l dude's running out of things to shoot at.

Which is why good money is betting on quick draw McCain to come up with a new target list.


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M. Spector
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posted 14 February 2008 02:02 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
See? We did need BMD after all!!
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martin dufresne
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posted 14 February 2008 02:16 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Space Weather News for Feb. 14, 2008

Malfunctioning spy satellite USA 193 has been in the news lately because of expectations that it will reenter Earth's atmosphere in March and turn into a spectacular fireball. Reentry has not yet begun, but sky watchers are already noticing the satellite as it zips over Europe and the United States shining as brightly as a first or second magnitude star. Typical photos are shown on today's edition of http://spaceweather.com.

In fact, USA 193 may never reenter--at least not in one piece. Today, the Pentagon announced it will attempt to blast the satellite with a missile before its orbit decays. This would lessen the chances of dangerous satellite debris and fuel reaching the ground while
increasing the population of space junk in low-Earth orbit.

Would you like to see USA 193 with your own eyes? It is about to make a series of evening appearances over many US towns and cities, beginning this weekend and continuing until the Pentagon intervenes. Flyby timetables may be found at http://spaceweatherphone.com. You can also receive telephone and email alerts when the satellite is about to fly over your backyard by subscribing to Spaceweather PHONE.

[ 14 February 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]


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Briguy
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posted 15 February 2008 04:50 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll be very interested to find out if they manage to hit the thing with the first (or second, or third...) shot. I'm sort of hoping they miss because a hit will bring out the cries of "see, it can be done!" from Star Wars supporters. This despite the differences in hitting an object following a predictable, unchanging and thus easily calculable orbit and an object whose trajectory must be calculated and recalculated constantly.
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posted 15 February 2008 07:31 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Briguy: I'm sort of hoping they miss because a hit will bring out the cries of "see, it can be done!" from Star Wars supporters.

If they're using a conventional missile, as the Chinese government did with one of their own satellites, then success in hitting the target won't lend any more credibility to Star Wars than, say, the success the Russians had in shooting Gary Powers out of the sky in 1960 while he was carrying out a spying mission for the USAF/CIA.

Incidently, last January when the Chinese government did the same thing as the U.S. is currently planning to do, all sorts of incendiary articles and anti-Chinese diatribes appeared in the "Western" media.

China under pressure to "explain", etc.

Ain't hypocrisy grand?

Supplemental: The following was what Canada had to say at the time about the Chinese actions:

quote:
"Canada has expressed its strong concerns to the Chinese authorities over the reported anti-satellite test and the possible negative effects," a ministry spokesman told AFP, without elaborating.

I guess we can expect similar "strong concerns" to be expressed from our government over the possible negative effects of the U.S. shoot down?

[ 15 February 2008: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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posted 20 February 2008 12:40 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So it's supposed to be tonight they try to shoot down the satellite. Before I leave for the day, I thought I should point out that tonight there will also be a full lunar eclipse.

So if you look up and see the moon's gone, don't panic.


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remind
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posted 20 February 2008 12:50 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wish I was on the Island tonight, as I wonder if people down there will be able to see it being shot down, if indeed they can.

Tonight up here in the Rockies, the Lunar eclipse will be very noticiable, the last couple of nights it has been like day time at full moon rise.

And hey did anyone else hear about us getting 4 more mins of daylight for the next 4-5 days?


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posted 20 February 2008 01:29 PM      Profile for tostig     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
...If they're using a conventional missile, as the Chinese government did with one of their own satellites,... [ 15 February 2008: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]

I bet the US military can save 2/3 of the cost if they contract this job out to China.

But it's a shame to create more space junk. Why can't they just produce an explosion to propell the satellite out into deep space?


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martin dufresne
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posted 20 February 2008 02:17 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They're already in deep enough s**t with various people on Earth not to start messing with the Martians.
And beside what better excuse to try out their Star Wars illegal militarization of space weapon systems than "protecting" us from more of their murderous junk?

[ 20 February 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]


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remind
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posted 20 February 2008 05:19 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can quite easily see the satellite in the southern horizon, it is very close in, and isflashing multi-colours wildly. Can see it right out my office window so am going to be focused on it and maybe see it there is contact made.
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posted 20 February 2008 05:58 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"They are fighting in the skies over Antarctica"

Actually, does anyone know how long it would take to get from ship to statellite?


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martin dufresne
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posted 20 February 2008 06:52 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Can quite easily see the satellite in the southern horizon, it is very close in, and isflashing multi-colours wildly. Can see it right out my office window so am going to be focused on it and maybe see it there is contact made.

Remind, in another thread you wrote "8. Believe life is to experience whatever comes your way", right?
DUCK!!!!

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remind
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posted 20 February 2008 07:02 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wonder if insurance covers it? It is still there only more to the west now, so safe as of yet.
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posted 20 February 2008 07:04 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Can quite easily see the satellite in the southern horizon, it is very close in, and isflashing multi-colours wildly. Can see it right out my office window so am going to be focused on it and maybe see it there is contact made.

I was in Northern Ontario working in the deep woods when I saw a big satelite come down. We were way out, and had not heard any news for days. I thought it was nuclear attack.


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remind
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posted 20 February 2008 07:32 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, the stars and satellites all look way big out in the back woods, like here, so I would imagine it was freaky.

By my observatioins though, it is going to be a bit yet before it is over Hawaii or the south Pacific in that general area.


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posted 20 February 2008 07:35 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Around 1962 while living in Nepean Township near Ottawa the air raid sirens inexplicibly went off and everyone got all excited and all.
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posted 20 February 2008 07:43 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quties strange thinking that you are going to be one of the last, scrabbling for food in the north, and slowly dying of radiation poisoning when everyone you know has been blown to bits, like in "On the Beech."
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Wow, just wow, I would have thought something like: "well, there goes New York" would never had thought about global nuking.
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Bacchus
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posted 20 February 2008 08:06 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I contantly work out survival plans in case of zombie attack
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posted 20 February 2008 08:28 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ahh so you were that guy.

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remind
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posted 21 February 2008 08:50 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
By my observatioins though, it is going to be a bit yet before it is over Hawaii or the south Pacific in that general area.

And shortly after I decided this and stopped watching...

quote:
The video showed the three-stage SM-3 missile launching from the USS Lake Erie at 10:26 p.m. EST, northwest of Hawaii, and of the missile's small "kill vehicle" — a non-explosive device at the tip — maneuvering into the path of the satellite and colliding spectacularly.

He said the satellite and the kill vehicle collided at a combined speed of 22,000 mph about 130 miles above Earth's surface, and that the collision was confirmed at a space operations center at 10:50 p.m. EST.



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