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Topic: Gay Son's Picture Missing From Traditional Values Candidate's Mailers
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Snuckles
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posted 23 August 2006 10:31 PM
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by The Associated PressAugust 21, 2006 - 5:00 pm ET (Tallahassee, Florida) Randall Terry doesn't run away from "family values issues" in his state Senate race. Among the conservative Christian's pledges are preserving traditional marriage and opposing gay adoptions. He has touted efforts to stop abortions. His campaign mailers sum up the value he puts on family: they show a picture with his wife, a daughter and three grinning young sons taken before a fourth was born this summer. But Terry's adopted son Jamiel says the picture is missing two people: he and his sister Tila, also adopted. Both have been estranged from Terry since Jamiel came out as a gay man and Tila had a child out of wedlock. Jamiel Terry said the self-image that his father is crafting and the campaign message about strong families ignores part of his own family history. He said voters have a right to know about that. "He is very big on image," Jamiel Terry said. "In a large way Tila and I mess up that image." Jamiel Terry, 26, said in interviews last week and Monday that voters in the northeast Florida district where his father is trying to unseat Sen. Jim King in the Republican primary should know more about the candidate's family.
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Stockholm
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posted 24 August 2006 07:29 AM
Do you think it is just a coincidence so that so many of the most outspoken social conservatives and homophobes keep on having gay children. The following arch-homophobic rightwing fanatics do:Cheney
Phyllis Schlafly
Charles Socarides (shrink who thinks being gay is a disease)
Randall Terry
Allan Keyes and probably many others. Poetic justice isn't it?
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kropotkin1951
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posted 24 August 2006 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Stockholm:
Do you think it is just a coincidence so that so many of the most outspoken social conservatives and homophobes keep on having gay children. The following arch-homophobic rightwing fanatics do:Cheney
Phyllis Schlafly
Charles Socarides (shrink who thinks being gay is a disease)
Randall Terry
Allan Keyes and probably many others. Poetic justice isn't it?
Nope just the luck of the draw. If you believe that sexual orientation is not a learned behaviour then it cannot be related to having assholes for parents otherwise they could cure themselves couldn't they. IMO it is ironic that people who hold the belief that sexual orientation is a life style choice give birth to children whose sexual orientation is not hetro.
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500_Apples
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posted 24 August 2006 11:17 AM
I think the reason so many outspoken social conservatives have gay kids is that there simply are a hellovalot of outspoken social conservatives down in the states. It's statistically inevitable.I'm sure a lot of social liberals have gay kids, however, that's no cause for a media circus when it does happen and thus we don't hear about it.kropotkin1951 wrote: quote:
Nope just the luck of the draw. If you believe that sexual orientation is not a learned behaviour then it cannot be related to having assholes for parents otherwise they could cure themselves couldn't they.
You would really benefit from opening a few psychology textbooks. Simply put, just because a behavior can be encouraged by social influences in childhood does not in any way, shape or form imply that it can necessarily be willed away in adulthood.
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kropotkin1951
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posted 24 August 2006 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
kropotkin1951 wrote: You would really benefit from opening a few psychology textbooks. Simply put, just because a behavior can be encouraged by social influences in childhood does not in any way, shape or form imply that it can necessarily be willed away in adulthood.
Please reasd my post you appear to be shadow boxing with something I didn't say. I did not say sexual orientation is a social behaviour because I don't believe it is. In fact the point I was trying to make (obviously unsuccessfully) was that sexual orientation is not a behaviour that is caused by social conditions including growing up in a fundamentalist home. Maybe my tongue was so far in my cheek that it affected my typing.The snarky comment was unwarrented and unnecesary. You could benefit from rereading your posts to edit for gratuatious insults before hitting send.
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500_Apples
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posted 24 August 2006 12:24 PM
What you wrote is: quote:
"Nope just the luck of the draw. If you believe that sexual orientation is not a learned behaviour then it cannot be related to having assholes for parents otherwise they could cure themselves couldn't they."
That clearly stipulated that in your world view a behavior learned in childhood can be cured. I believe that's not always true. quote:
In fact the point I was trying to make (obviously unsuccessfully) was that sexual orientation is not a behaviour that is caused by social conditions including growing up in a fundamentalist home.
You don't really know that, neither does anyone.
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500_Apples
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posted 24 August 2006 02:12 PM
Ok, I'll try one last time: quote:
"Nope just the luck of the draw. If you believe that sexual orientation is not a learned behaviour then it cannot be related to having assholes for parents otherwise they could cure themselves couldn't they."
Translated: If you believe that sexual orientation is not a learned behaviour ---> then it cannot be related to having assholes for parents ---> otherwise they could cure themselves couldn't they. I disagree with that line of reasoning.
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