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Zahid Zaman
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posted 26 July 2004 12:43 AM      Profile for Zahid Zaman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love how North Korea has mastered the skill of blackmailing the US into submission. It'' be hard for Bush to bomb these suckers because of the close proximity to China:

N. Korea says 'No' to disarmament call

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But North Korea said it does not trust the United States and wants to see the benefits – more aid, the lifting of sanctions and removal from the list of countries that Washington says sponsor terrorism – before it disarms.


Aid for disarmament ... pretty clever.


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James
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posted 26 July 2004 01:04 AM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Really doesn't have a whole lot to do with proximity to China.

A lot more to do with proximity to Seoul. North Korea has enough convententional artillary along the D.M.Z. that it could flatten that entire city, and with it tens of millions of people, within minutes.


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Zahid Zaman
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posted 26 July 2004 01:05 AM      Profile for Zahid Zaman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by JamesR:
Really doesn't have a whole lot to do with proximity to China.

A lot more to do with proximity to Seoul. North Korea has enough convententional artillary along the D.M.Z. that it could flatten that entire city, and with it tens of millions of people, within minutes.


Good point.


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shannifromregina
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posted 26 July 2004 02:39 AM      Profile for shannifromregina     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just curious where is Bush? I'll bet within the next year Bush(if he gets elected again) will be after N.Korea what I don't understand is N.Korea is pulling the same bullshit Hussein did, so why are the americans not there? you know doing the good deeds that they are doing in Iraq.
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posted 26 July 2004 09:35 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
N. Korea has no oil, for starters. Also, I think that the generals actually are keeping the cowboy in check on this one. They probably understand the threat that North Korea represents to South Korea, which is a centre for both American and Japanese investment. It is unlikely that the cowboy understands this, but luckily (for the Korean Peninsula, SE Asia, and the world in general), his handlers do understand. After much waffling on the issue, I don't think that even Bush is stupid enough to start another Korean war. If he is stupid enough, and gets cheered on by Rummie and Wolfie, then hopefully the more intelligent criminals in his administration will keep him in check.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 26 July 2004 03:32 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
N. Korea saw what happened to the guy who did disarm. The Americans claimed he hadn't and then invaded.

The moral of the story is, never disarm when the US tells you to. They (or rather, their glorious leader) appear to have taken it to heart. Just because Kim il Sung is paranoid, definitely doesn't mean nobody's out to get him.

And of course, we shouldn't forget that last time they made a deal to not develop nuclear power, the Americans basically reneged on their side of it. If the Americans had held up their end, North Korea would now have a water-moderated reactor (unsuitable for uranium enrichment) and considerably more electrical power, something they are chronically short of.

Frankly, I think that N.K. bastard's domestic policy is vile, but his foreign policy is mostly just plain common sense. Or paranoia, but when the US wants you underground the two become awfully similar. There's a few objectives behind these sorts of offers. First, if the US aren't realistic about negotiating they'll just come back with "No, you just disarm unilaterally or else" as they usually do. Then North Korea can say "look, there we are negotiating in good faith and they won't make a deal". The status quo continues, but the very fact that they're talking eases tension a little bit. North Korea would happily keep on doing this for decades if it meant the chances of the US invading were a little bit smaller than with no talking at all.

Second, if the US ever does show an inclination to make some kind of deal, North Korea has some bargaining chips to give away. I would suspect the bedrock demand is the non-aggression treaty. They've been asking for that for a long time, and the US have never been willing to discuss it. They want the Americans off their case. If they could get a solid treaty that said as long as the IAEA gives N. Korea a clean bill of health the US will leave them alone, they'd probably be willing to stand down the nukes or proto-nukes or whatever. It would have to be based on IAEA or other independent verification, because who'd trust the US not to just invent some "evidence", claim you weren't complying and attack anyway as soon as you'd disarmed? Oh yeah, and the wording would have to specify that NK was in compliance as long as there was no positive evidence that the were not. None of this "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" bullshit.

Now if it was me, I wouldn't take such a deal with the US no matter how carefully it was worded. If in a couple years they decided they didn't like it, they'd just rip it up and invade anyway. Maybe they'd manufacture a Gulf of Tonkin first, maybe these days they wouldn't even bother. But apparently Kim il Sung is more trusting than I am.

[ 26 July 2004: Message edited by: Rufus Polson ]


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Blind_Patriot
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posted 26 July 2004 04:28 PM      Profile for Blind_Patriot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by shannifromregina:
Just curious where is Bush? I'll bet within the next year Bush(if he gets elected again) will be after N.Korea what I don't understand is N.Korea is pulling the same bullshit Hussein did, so why are the americans not there? you know doing the good deeds that they are doing in Iraq.

I hope your being sarcastic, because if your not, please explain these "Good Deeds".
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Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
N. Korea saw what happened to the guy who did disarm. The Americans claimed he hadn't and then invaded... ... ...
[ 26 July 2004: Message edited by: Rufus Polson ]

Korea is a well armed nation, much better than Iraq ever was at the time of invasion. This would be a bloodier war than the Iraq invasion. That is definetely something to take in consideration. MEanwhile Lock-Head Martin has it's fingers crossed. If a deal were to be made, Korea should hold of making any deals with the Bush regime, and wait for a post-election deal.
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As for the title of this thread... "N. Korea ... what a blackmailer!"
The only difference between blackmail and bridery is who's pushing and who's pulling. The U.S. has bought support countless times. It's the equivilance of blackmail.

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posted 26 July 2004 06:32 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The American's would be stupid to start a war with N. Korea, although with this murderous fascist regime in Washington, nothing is beneath their colonialist Yeehaw foreign policies.

The Yanks got their tails kicked hard by the N.Korean's/Chinese forces. They've learned that a land war with the Asian's isn't very feasible. More tha 300 000 "Asians" advanced on the Iallou River overnight and where the American forces were looking yonder across the way at China, awating orders and eating Thanksgiving turkey dinner. The next day the Yanks literally had to run away from the Chinese border. It was a dirty war. An all African-American infantry unit had their throats slit in the middle of the night by Korean's on the move. They were zipped up tight in their sleeping bags and never had a chance. The Canadian Van Doos got the inexperienced Yanks some pay-back for that particular incident.

And there's no telling how many innocent people these psychopaths in Washington would be willing to sacrifice for the sake of another war and more Keynesian-militarism slash corporate welfare for the military industrial complex.

How come no one threatens Israel for having nukes ? Russia ? India ? Pakistan ? S. Africa ? etc ?

[ 26 July 2004: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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shannifromregina
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posted 26 July 2004 09:52 PM      Profile for shannifromregina     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just for the record I was being very sarcastic.
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