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audra trower williams
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posted 23 May 2001 04:45 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These folk think it is possible. Do you? Why or why not?
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 23 May 2001 04:56 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The idea is appealing, and I'm sure it could be done, but I find their reasons for implementing a 32 hour work week problematic.

They argue that a 32 hour work week is needed because we have high unemployment? I see "help wanted" signs all over the place! We have a worker shortage, not a job shortage!

I agree that a shorter work week and more vacation time can result in higher productivity, but I'm wary that the solution is legislated time off. Better to convince businessness that flexible working hours are in their benefit. The Conference Board of Canada has a series of reports about the benefits of work-life balance, and they ain't exactly a "leftie" organization.


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DrConway
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posted 23 May 2001 05:44 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
mediaboy, high unemployment in Canada is the lever which the Bank of Canada uses to control inflation.

The only way to get around the problem is to convince the Bank people that wages aren't going to rocket through the roof, so the 32-hour work week is a good way to lower unemployment while keeping wages more or less the same.

Well, it IS possible for the Finance Minister to direct the Bank of Canada to follow a certain policy, but Paul Martin knows which side his bread's buttered on, and it isn't End Legislated Poverty's side.


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Athena Dreaming
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posted 23 May 2001 11:30 PM      Profile for Athena Dreaming   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is one big problem with a 32 hour work week.

It is called "unofficial overtime."

Currently people in professional positions working (technically) 40 hour workweeks are actually working 60 hours a week or so. They don't get paid for those 60 hours, because their employers say that this overtime is "part of the job." Reducing the official hourly total to 32 would just result in more "unofficial overtime." I think it would have far more effect if these employers were no longer allowed to make (or 'strongly encourage') their employees to work that extra time. Then they would have to hire a lot of extra employees.

I mean, really, what's happening today is that a lot of people are working a job and a half, and being paid for a job. Fixing that would have a much greater impact.


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verbatim
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posted 23 May 2001 11:37 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, from what I've seen of the inside of medium-sized and large law firms, the whole profession runs on overtime. I don't know of a lawyer who works less than 40 hours a week (although I admit I don't know that many lawyers yet). Sure -- you might be making $66 000 a year to start in T.O., but you'll be working 60+ hours a week to stay on past your first year.

AD's right -- professions "on salary" are basically paid to do their job, no matter how long it takes. Any sort of change in the work-week would be meaningless to them. And this is important, because they are also tying up substantial amounts of the salaries that drive the economy.

{edited for accuracy}

[ May 23, 2001: Message edited by: VerbaTim ]


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Slick Willy
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posted 24 May 2001 12:44 AM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds nice right up untill you find a couple of days less wages in your paycheck.
As for lawyers, most are in it for the long haul. Though they may not work for the same firm forever they do rack up experience and once a baby lawyer has enough of the right experience, they get a partnership in a firm or start their own practice. By the end of the day when retirement rolls around (should they consider that option) money is not as much of a worry for them as it is most. But it takes a lot of hard work and very long hours to get there.

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DrConway
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posted 24 May 2001 07:17 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Slick, it wouldn't happen if wages were more strongly linked with productivity. The key to increasing the standard of living and to dropping the workweek without having to drop wages more than ~5% is in efficient production and sales.

Automation and computers will continue this process for years to come, and there is no earthly reason why the benefits of increased productivity should go only to capital and not labor.

Right now, the results of increased productivity show up in the unemployment and underemployment rates.


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