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Yvon Thivierge
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posted 14 July 2005 10:26 PM
It has been obvious to this person for years now that the RC church is at war with the world it considers itself not part of to better judge and condemn it.Even in countries like Mexico, albeit extremely Catholic in practice, where the separation between Church and State is real and sometimes antagonistic, religious leaders have been attacking both the government and segments of the population. The cardinal archbishop of Mexico City has come out several times swinging against the country's GLBT, going as far as saying "not only are they outside the Church, they are also outside society"!
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N13638788.htm
From: Sault-Sainte-Marie ON Canada | Registered: May 2005
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Che
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posted 21 July 2005 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Nikita:
As an organization, it only has as much power as people give it, and clearly, Catholics everywhere are getting tired of being told what to do with their reproductive health. The church doesn't want people to use birth control, but who has to feed all those kids? The parents, not the church. Who has to buy them diapers and clothes and toys, etc etc etc. If the church wants every child born, it should start giving family allowances to help raise those kids.  The church makes me cranky![/QB]
Right on. Speak it. The Church makes me cranky too. It's only because I care about her so much. Too often the Church abdicates its own responsibilities and lays aside its own latent power by leaning upon the state to fix what the Church believes ails a fallen and alienated society. Yes indeed, "if the church wants every child born, it should start giving family allowances to help raise those kids." Yes indeed, it should. With a little imagination and daring-do, it could. The Church is its people,a grand communion made up of individual members, each one sharing in Christ's own Kingly, Priestly and Prophetic offices and therefore called to do the very same work Christ Himself does. The resources of the Church are within the hands of Christian households and congregations everywhere. The Church has the resources to build its own social, political and economic resources according to patterns revealed in Christian revelation. So I find your crankiness very appropos and right on. The Church shouldn't force itself on society through law. It should demonstrate the wisdom of God on the basis of its own full social, economic and political fellowship.
From: Avans | Registered: Jul 2005
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Rufus Polson
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posted 21 July 2005 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Che:
Too often the Church abdicates its own responsibilities and lays aside its own latent power by leaning upon the state to fix what the Church believes ails a fallen and alienated society.
Um. Personally, I find that the problem lately is that the Catholic Church is taking up some rather warped responsibilities. Sorry, but it isn't that the Church isn't doing enough, it's that the boys in control have ideas about ethics which are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and they're doing what they can to have their church push those ideas. Abortion is . . . contentious; *I* am certain they're wrong, but there's plenty wrangling to be done, and maybe if they put their money where their mouth was after the kids were born their position would be less obnoxious. But the Catholic church's official notions about birth control, homosexuality, women, and hierarchy are just wrong. There is no remotely plausible or consistent ethical system in which those ideas can be right. The Catholic church will have to abandon those ideas before activism on the part of that church can be anything but destructive.
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