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molly-tov
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posted 04 February 2005 11:13 AM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
heya, i am in hali and i am doing my thesis project for women's studies on anarcho-feminism. i am looking to interview via email (or in person, depending on location) people who identify with this political ideology. if anyone is interested, it could take as little or as much time as you'd like and i would appreciate it tons. i am interested in compensating people for their time in non-monetary ways, i.e. skill-sharing or some other mutually-decided way. please email me at [email protected] if you are even remotely interested! this would be so helpful!
thanks!
other than that, this is an interesting topic for discussion...

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this little girl
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posted 04 February 2005 12:48 PM      Profile for this little girl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
you have mail.
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skdadl
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posted 04 February 2005 12:57 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
other than that, this is an interesting topic for discussion...

No question. I would like to know more.

You start.


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molly-tov
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posted 04 February 2005 01:41 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hey - thanks for responding and i wrote you back.
hmm, as for discussion, i have recently been reading about voltairine decleyre and louise michel. one of the many things which struck me as interesting was that they both were shot and both refused to condemn their attempted assasin. instead, they asked for people to forgive them. i thought that was pretty special.
also, i used to volonteer at who's emma in toronto and was recently reading in an anarchist anthology about some of the reasons why it shut down. the person writing cited inability to acheive consensus when the issue of sexist lyrics and sexist images on straight-edge records as a main reason. wtf? then HE went on to say that who's emma had feminist posters on the wall and that THEY (being men, of course) ALLOWED women to volonteer every monday alone... as if to say, wasn't that enough?
no, not enough.
plus, nevermind the ongoing bullshit among manarchists resisting and resenting women-only spaces... to the point where a manifesta had to be writen stating the reasons why.
i think women are still marginalized and subordinated even within anarchist circles. this has been the majority of my experience, anyway.

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skdadl
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posted 04 February 2005 01:58 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
molly-tov, I am a very old gril compared to you (well, compared to most), but what you write rings familiar bells for me.

It made me think of one of the first salvos from feminists of my cohort, addressed to our male counterparts in the New Left of the 1960s. It was called "Sisters, Brothers, Lovers, Listen" (1967?).

I couldn't find a direct link to the text quickly (there must be one), but by happy coincidence, I found that an excerpt from a new book by rabble.ca's publisher, Judes (Judy Rebick), is up on the Web and mentions that essay in the context of observations very like yours:

quote:
It started in Canada with the Toronto Women’s Liberation Movement, founded in 1967, and mushroomed from there. The Feminine Action League was established at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, soon followed by the Women’s Caucus in Vancouver. By 1969 similar groups existed in Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Kingston, Guelph, Hamilton, Halifax, Sudbury, Thunder Bay, Edmonton and Montreal. A mimeographed article entitled “Sisters, Brothers, Lovers, Listen …” was passed eagerly from hand to hand among women in the New Left. It denounced the “male chauvinism” of their comrades and ended with the declaration, “We are going to be typers of letters and distributors of leaflets no longer.”

Men on the left did not watch this development passively, as Vancouver activist Jean Rands recalls:

The student movement was dominated by articulate young men who were arrogant and full of themselves. Women were intimidated, and there was a lot of nasty, misogynist stuff that happened. When the student left organization at Simon Fraser University invited some left-wing activists from Germany to speak, the women’s caucus there decided to hold a meeting with the woman member. The male left was so outraged that we would have a woman-only meeting that they tried to drown us out.

Everywhere that women stood up, men freaked out. Denise Kouri remembers what it was like for Saskatoon Women’s Liberation, one of the most active groups in the country:


Ten Thousand Roses: excerpt


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this little girl
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posted 04 February 2005 02:18 PM      Profile for this little girl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl, thanks for posting this. it's so great to read a bit more about the history of the movement in saskatoon (my current home). makes me feel more connected to something bigger, you know?

things have changed and then they haven't, if that makes any sense at all. in my time (early-mid 90's) with the campus women's centre, we had a couple big struggles with the dept of engineering over their "newspaper". then there was the incident regarding "obscene" art we displayed in the library. it depicted images of menstrual blood and was deemed disgusting and inappropriate by some female library staff.

sorry, this isn't specific to issues of anarcha-feminism. your link got me reminiscing.


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Coyote
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posted 04 February 2005 02:21 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, and it's nice to see Martha Tracey mentioned - one of the best, most intelligent people I have ever met period.
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molly-tov
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posted 04 February 2005 02:37 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ya, that was hardcore, thanks for sharing that.
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Scout
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posted 04 February 2005 04:05 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Where in the hell is "hali"?
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 February 2005 04:07 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Judging by the postal code, Halifax?
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Scout
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posted 04 February 2005 04:22 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, is "hali" supposed to be like Tdot.

I hate calling it Tdot.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 February 2005 04:24 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never understood that one, and I hate it too.

Where the hell is the dot?


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molly-tov
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posted 04 February 2005 04:28 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
yes, hali is halifax only cooler.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 04 February 2005 04:56 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That sets the bar approachably low, eh?
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posted 04 February 2005 05:52 PM      Profile for mediamuckymuck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=004154

Molly tov --- check this babble thread - you could add a lot!

Invite to chat: Anarchism and Organization
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=004154

Also - there is a good book you might look for for your academic work:
Anarchy! - an anthology of Emma Goldman's Mother Earth


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belva
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posted 11 February 2005 06:02 PM      Profile for belva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi molly-tov!

You may know these books already but if you haven't encountered them, take a look--for first hand accounts of anarchists, these are classics:
THE REBEL GIRL by Elizabeth Gurley Flynn
&
IN PRISON by Kate Richards O'Hare
&
LIVING MY LIFE by Emma Goldman

Let me know what you think if you sample these classics.


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lagatta
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posted 11 February 2005 09:45 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just over 100 years ago, the great anarchist and fighter for women's rights - and the rights of workers in the Paris Commune and colonised people in New Caledonia - Louise Michel died. http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/ws98/ws55_louise.html

She said much about the emancipation of women, but it is always problematic to claim earlier figures for modern movements like 20th/21st Century feminism.

Que vive Louise!


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thiswoman
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posted 14 February 2005 05:09 AM      Profile for thiswoman        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Voltarine Lives!!!

Emma Goldman Lives!!!

Every time we try to live we get backlash. Look at the consumerism adverts to know that they (the capitalists) push us back to "what men want" by selling skinny bods, "sexy and sleek" women draped over the hoods of fast cars and don't even get me started on the toys pushed to making "women" of our female sexed children, my first dishwasher be damned! To those who are not female in orientation, I realize that some of you understand that we have been pushed into some kind of standardized thinking; men make money, women spend it, but many men think that is the truth. In truth, we would far rather be ourselves (not model like, but healthy and fit through life activity, not starvation, denial and fitness gurus) with real life bodies that are, in reality not uniformly tall and lithe. We would far rather be appreciated for the fine minds that continue to create a world that is fair to all, women, men, all ethnicities, all backgrounds and all orientations. Without a yang, there is no ying.


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molly-tov
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posted 16 February 2005 07:43 PM      Profile for molly-tov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i havn't read the first two, but i have read parts of living my life (1 & 2) by emma goldman. it is a swell book. i am reading the emma goldman volume one and two right now and these are real jewels. i can't hype them up enough. they are very new and long and full of primary research. so exciting. one of the libraries in my city just bought both of them! nice. also, i have read louise michel : rebel lives and the voltairine de cleyre reader. all of these, awesome. even the book anarchist women is pretty good. thanks for the book ideas. i am also super into eve libertine, from punk band crass. i have love songs and the g. sus art book, which are both excellent. you should check out crass if you like political music. i have the mother earth anthology and it is wonderful.
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