I fear for the UK if this is true. Sadly I believe the very same could happen here.

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In England, a new government-backed study has found that British schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons. Teachers are afraid to teach about the Nazi atrocity because Muslim students might take offense.

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Everywhere one looks in Europe there are signs that free people are prepared to surrender without a fight to those who would place them in bondage.

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from the Jeruselem Post article

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Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said: "It is our understanding that this is not representative of the majority of schools in the UK and that the case in question was just one example brought to light by the Historical Association

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The study that is referenced did not study this issue at all. It anecdotally referenced one only school where the history department didn't select the Holocaust for its program because of some cowardly fears on the part of the administration that it would be controversial.

Of course, once a lie starts spreading in the right-wing media, there's no stopping it.

The referenced report, in pdf format, is here, and the tiny reference to one single school is on page 15, section 6. Obviously, the report is about how to teach those issues - not how Holocaust denial is spreading like wildfire through Britain.

And as an opinion piece, I'd be curious to know the author's view of teaching evolution in public schools.

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Everywhere one looks in Europe there are signs that free people are prepared to surrender without a fight to those who would place them in bondage.

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Originally posted by unionist:
This thread title is exaggerated, and it's based on a bullshit exaggerated article from the ultra-right-wing Daily Mail, an anti-women anti-immigrant newspaper with a pro-Nazi history.

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Well, is that not typical for the fear mongering people on the right of center?

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One wonders what the purpose of such rabid hysteria-mongering is, if not self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Originally posted by ohara:
It appears as though at least one school in the UK dropped the teaching of the Holocaust and Crusades in fear that it is insensitive to Muslim students.

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Still not quite accurate. The school didn't "drop" it:

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For example, a history department in a northern city recently avoided selecting the Holocaust as a topic for GCSE coursework for fear of confronting anti-Semitic sentiment and Holocaust denial among some Muslim pupils.

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Originally posted by Petsy:
What are the chances that similar things are happening in our schools? We certainly know that Black history has been totally avoided as has much history that is not white Eurocentric in nature So it is entirely possible that Holocaust history might also be abandoned.

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Originally posted by ohara:
Unionist it is difficult for us plebes to attain the level of perfection that you seemed to have achieved.

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It appears as though at least one school in the UK dropped the teaching of the Holocaust and Crusades in fear that it is insensitive to Muslim students.

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Actually, as the Unionist points out, it's only one school and more accurately one department in the school. Everywhere else, the Holocaust and Crusades are discussed freely and openly.

Keep in mind who owns the Jerusalem Post, where this article appeared: Global CanWest--the same corporate monopolistic empire that controls almost 70 per cent of the major newspapers, half of the TV stations and several radio networks in Canada, which clearly believes that honesty is never the best policy.

As to the controversy itself, I just don't see how any bonehead education official could come to this conclusion about teaching these important historic atrocities making Muslims angry.

Last I checked Muslims--with the exception of the usual right-wing fanatic religious loony fringe--have practically nothing in common with Nazis. And it's also a fact that legions of people of that faith have suffered persecution and mass murder, much the the Jews.

Also, in terms of actual history, the Christian regimes and armies of the Crusades behaved just as horrifically as the Muslim ones if not more so.

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Originally posted by miles:
the FAST Choose your voice program gives me hope that educating the youth of today about the holocaust will continue.

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Last I checked Muslims--with the exception of the usual right-wing fanatic religious loony fringe--have practically nothing in common with Nazis.

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Ever heard of the Mufti of Jerusalem?

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Originally posted by ohara:
Miles can you elaborate on this FAST thing. And what is "Choose your voice".

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Choose Your Voice: Antisemitism in Canada is an educational program for students in Grades 6, 7 and 8 produced by Canadian Jewish Congress for FAST (Fighting Antisemitism Together), which was founded by Elizabeth and Tony Comper to help combat the rising tide of antisemitism in Canada.

FAST is a coalition of non-Jewish business and community leaders who have come together to speak out against antisemitism and to fund educational programs that encourage others to speak out. A key goal is to teach children that hatred has no place in our country, and to encourage all children to feel safe and secure to be who they are.

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Ever heard of the Mufti of Jerusalem?

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Yep, sure have.

This wacko group is hardly what anyone anywhere could reasonably consider main stream, and wartime pro-Nazi leader Hajj Amin is hardly a well-known, let alone celebrated personality among most Muslims.

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Originally posted by miles:

I was at a seminar where they showed the materials. They are very good.

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Quite the gallery of "supporters". All the top CEOs in the land.

Do they also lend their names to similar programs to fight other forms of racism?

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Originally posted by Stockholm:

Seriously though, if a bunch of CEO want to led their names and financial support to a good cause, why look a gift horse in the mouth? Let's give credit where credit is due.

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Originally posted by unionist:

What's your view as to why they did this, and wouldn't it be valuable if they lent their name and resources to a campaign against racism generally?

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Unionist from doing a simple google search I learned that the Compers got involved after all of the anti-semetic incidents and vandelism that struck Toronto in 2004.

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Originally posted by miles:

I wonder why it is a problem for anyone to be disgusted with the anti-semetism that struck Toronto and Montreal and want to do something about it.

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So, you have no explanation as to why they haven't included racism against Aboriginals, blacks, Muslims, etc.?

It's a serious question. We're talking about the top CEOs in the country. Are they saying Jews have been targetted more heavily than the other groups I've mentioned?

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So, you have no explanation as to why they haven't included racism against Aboriginals, blacks, Muslims, etc.?

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Really so no CEO has funded any anti-racism actions for other vulnerable communities?

I find that hard to beleive.

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are you saying that unless they fund anti-racism initiatives for all groups that are victims no initiatives should be funded?

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Really so no CEO has funded any anti-racism actions for other vulnerable communities?

are you saying that unless they fund anti-racism initiatives for all groups that are victims no initiatives should be funded?

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No, I'm saying these are for the most part the bastions of everything that is wrong with our society. They are not known for taking the lead in ridding our society of its ills, including racism.

Secondly, I'm saying, miles, that if you don't know the answer to my question (as to why all these CEOs have jumped on this bandwagon and not other similar ones), you're allowed to say "I don't know".

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It appears as though at least one school in the UK dropped the teaching of the Holocaust and Crusades in fear that it is insensitive to Muslim students.

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Muslims have every reason to object to Holocaust education in their schools.

It's one thing to teach the topic in school, in the context of modern warfare, but the continued overemphasis on it is objectionable.

Children are conditioned to believe in the Holocaust as the gold standard of suffering, and Jews as the archetype of victimhood. It has gone beyond education, into propaganda.

..Propaganda that has served as an enabling factor in ethnic cleansing and slaughter across the middle east.

No one group has a corner on suffering. I am sure the list is extensive and should be widely acknowledged in history text books.

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Muslims have every reason to object to Holocaust education in their schools.

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And I have every right to say that a person saying such a hateful thing as this is a disgrace to humanity.

What exactly are you trying to say about Muslims if you imply that it is offensive to them to have their children learn about the Holocaust?

Is it that it might offend them to have their children learn that Jews are human beings and don't have tails and horns growing out of the sides of their heads?

I don't believe that, do you?

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Children are conditioned to believe in the Holocaust as the gold standard of suffering, and Jews as the archetype of victimhood. It has gone beyond education, into propaganda.

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If you call the Holocaust "propaganda" I guess that must mean you aren't sure that it actually took place. Why don't you take a trip to Poland. I hear there is a nice place called Auschwitz-Birkenau you can take a bus tour to.

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Originally posted by Stockholm:

If you call the Holocaust "propaganda" I guess that must mean you aren't sure that it actually took place. Why don't you take a trip to Poland. I hear there is a nice place called Auschwitz-Birkenau you can take a bus tour to.

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Your jerking knee has misinterpreted my message.

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Originally posted by Legless-Marine:

Your jerking knee has misinterpreted my message.
Do not put words in my mouth.

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I find this offensive but want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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Children are conditioned to believe in the Holocaust as the gold standard of suffering, and Jews as the archetype of victimhood.

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And shock of shocks, this thread has become so ugly that it's not worth leaving open in any case. The usual extremists on both sides are screaming at each other.