That security guard has now been acquitted, but there is potential civil action pending.

If you wish, please feel free to continue the discussion from the other, now-closed thread here.

You might also be interested in this thread, which deals more generally with the subject of private "labour dispute security firms," such as the one involved in this case.

[ 15 December 2004: Message edited by: robbie_dee ]

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Lewenza and former CAW Local 1973 president Nick Dzudz were charged with assaulting a security guard, though the charges were withdrawn when the alleged victim failed to show up in court. Charges were also dismissed in court against Lewenza for tossing a brick at the bus, though the judge criticized the union members' actions.

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Originally posted by The Oatmeal Savage:
Are these guys guilty as hell as well even though the charges were dismissed and withdrawn?

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How far can posters go in claiming that anybody is guilty of a crime before it becomes libelous and puts babble in legal jeopardy?

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I'm no lawyer, but if you want a good rule of thumb, express your opinions as opinions, and you and babble should be OK. eg:

"Me, I believe O.J. did it."

versus:

"O.J. Simpson is a murderer."

Here's my opinion of Mike Harris, the one who made it more probable that tragedies like this would occur.

The "common sense" revolution is over, and good riddance to the bastards. We'll be cleaning up their mess in Ontario for a long time.

Toronto cops wrestling a female bicycler/homlessness protester to the pavement - true conservatism in action!

[ 15 December 2004: Message edited by: Fidel ]

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Originally posted by Fidel:
Well, I think we lay some of the blame for this tragedy on the Mike Harris conservatives for repealing anti-scab legislation here in the mid 1990's.

handing off land development contracts to friends in the mafia,

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Fidel why do you have to disparage an Italian Canadian social organization like the Mafia.

Also seriously what proof do you have that the people who won land development contracts are members of the mob?

It is this type of reckless comments that I am against throughout this site.

Edited to add: especially since the mob is well known to have infultrated many unions as well as developers. Let's leave the mob out of this debate. It really is not relevant to the subject of this thread.

Also we could also blaim the social contract of Bob Rae. Since it was the social contract that my right wing nut bar friends use as the excuse for getting rid of all anti-scab legislation. If there is even one shred of truth in that stupid rhetoric then I say Bad Mike, Bad Bob and Bad Norman Bates.

[ 15 December 2004: Message edited by: johnpauljones ]

I am not saying that the mafia does not exist.

I am trying to prove the point that we all throw out non-relevant factoids of information that can take a thread off topic.

Very simply Fidel, what relevance is the connection of land developers to the mob with the events that surrounded the vehicular assault that led to Don Milner's injuries.

Since I believe that the company on strike are not land developers and the thug that drove the vehicle has not been accused of ties to organized crime.

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Lagatta with regards to your comments below this post about my social organization crack. That is a line that a former Hamilton journalist on radio and tv once used to describe Hamilton's mob connections.

[ 15 December 2004: Message edited by: johnpauljones ]

"Mafia" originally referred to a Sicilian organisation. It was never just a social organisation - it always operated as an underground society, at first in response to encroachment by outsiders (continental Italians) in Sicilians' affairs. I can't go into the whole history of how it became an important organised crime organisation here and now - it got a huge boost from the Allies (mostly the US) in the immediate postwar period.

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Originally posted by Fidel:
Forgive me for criticizing the regressive legislation of our little red school house tory government of the 1990's, but I think that they are at the source of this problem regarding scabs and their legislated right to undermine the efforts of worker's in Ontario to bargain effectiveley for a living wage.

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In my opinion, the court decision not to prosecute the scab driver for reckless driving, assault, attempted murder or being a menace to pedestrians in general(take your pick) only reenforces the fascism-friendly legislation in Ontario.

"The first principle of non-violence action is that of non-cooperation with everything humiliating." - Cesar Chavez

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