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Topic: The customer is always right? Not anymore
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Snuckles
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posted 06 July 2004 03:01 AM
quote: So much for the customer always being right.Some retailers are deciding that the customer can be very, very wrong -- as in unprofitable. And some, including Best Buy Co. Inc., are discriminating between profitable customers and shoppers they lose money on. Like a customer who ties up a salesworker but never buys anything, or who buys only during big sales. Or one who files for a rebate, then returns the item.
Read it here.
From: Hell | Registered: Jun 2002
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 06 July 2004 10:37 AM
Years ago I did some tech work for a Retail Management class, and got to listen in on all kinds of marketing inside scoop. I found out that there's a word for shoppers like me, who enter a store like Eddie Bauer and immediately head for the clearance rack: bottom feeders! LOL! As long as they keep putting $20 pants on that rack, I don't give a rat's ass what they think of me or my spending habits, but the name makes me laugh! quote: there was a funny smell eminating from the dress. They sent it to a lab to be tested and found formaldehyde all over the dress.
Did anyone die in the dress? If so, then your story is already at Snopes. With all due respect, I think your sister's tale belongs there as well.
From: ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø, | Registered: Dec 2002
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 06 July 2004 04:13 PM
When I was in school it was well known that HMV around the corner from campus had a similar "no questions asked" return policy. So, buy a CD you like, tape it, return it became common. I suspect that companies like HMV simply add up the cost of doing business this way and decide whether it's worth it. Other companies have similar policies. Eddie Bauer, for example, warranties the watch I bought 15 years ago for life, including the battery. Every few years I bring my watch in and they send it off for a new battery, a cleaning, etc. Eventually their replacement batteries are going to eat up their profit on that watch, but if they calculate in all the other things I've bought from them, and all the people I've extolled their virtues to then they may find that they're actually ahead.Interesting note though: Eddie Bauer watches are no longer warrantied for life.
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lagatta
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posted 06 July 2004 07:05 PM
I'm worse than you Magoo, not only am I a "bottom feeder" at Eddie Bauer, there is none in Montréal, so when I'm in Ottawa I head there ... and to the sales rack. Their things really do last a long time. I'd like to buy domestically-made goods as well, but in "ladies' wear", at least, it is getting almost impossible to do so... One thing consumers could use is a Canadian-based catalogue retailer similar to Eddie Bauer, LL Bean, Lands' End etc. MEC is nice and does actually carry a lot of domestically-made products - and supposedly the imports are made under decent working conditions, but MEC is too exclusively sport oriented, unlike the others that also feature "sportswear" to wear at work etc.
From: Se non ora, quando? | Registered: Apr 2002
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abnormal
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posted 06 July 2004 08:32 PM
quote: ...buy a CD you like, tape it, return it became common. I suspect that companies like HMV simply add up the cost of doing business this way and decide whether it's worth it.
Most store's return policies have changed. However, even if they haven't the store has made an estimate of the percentage of people that do this and simply grossed up everyone else's prices to compensate. quote: ...with less than $40,000 in their accounts was to be dealt with as quickly as possible, not be given any special treatment, and then gotten rid of. Those with more than $40,000 or more were to be served graciously and all steps were to be taken to ensure they were happy with the service.
quote: The way banks deal with poorer clients is downright criminal, and measures to rectify such discrimination and ensure basic savings and cheque account services (not talking about credit) should be a condition of renewing their charters.
Retail banking is generally a money loser. I suspect the real condition re the charter should simply be that they continue to offer retail banking services period. Even if you're a "high net worth individual", whatever that may mean, banks generally treat you like shit. That's their job. By the way, I do exempt private banking from this but that's a different world that I can only aspire to enter. "Would you like an coffee Sir? How about expresso? ..." quote: One thing consumers could use is a Canadian-based catalogue retailer similar to Eddie Bauer, LL Bean, Lands' End etc.
No guarantee of where things were made or under what conditions. Don't care what they say, they have little if any information re the original supplier to the manufacturer. For example, at the height of apartheid when no-one in the western world would deal with South Africa, or at least wouldn't admit to it, black Africa had a thriving business purchasing South African made goods, removing the labels, and sewing labels that said in "Made in Tanzania" or whatever in their place. The goods were then sold to individuals that would never have bought merchandise with a South African label.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 07 July 2004 01:58 AM
quote: Yeah, I do tend to be a "bottom feeder" when it comes to buying stuff...especially at large chains.
One thing I didn't mention about "bottom feeders": we're a very necessary part of the retail "food chain". Stores need bottom feeders to clean out the last of their inventory. If they have 1000 pair of jeans to get rid of, and they aren't moving, even at $39.99, then they cut the price in half again, wait for the bottom feeder frenzy to subside, and voila! Room for the new season's inventory. Before learning this I used to feel a little cheap and conspicuous heading over to the clearance rack. Now I feel like saying "you're welcome!".
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Cougyr
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posted 07 July 2004 12:37 PM
Any business that wants to stay in business had better find out where it spends its money and what returns it gets for the money spent. Inevitably, some of that money is not well spent. No business should actively seek sales that will incur loss. We've all seen some really stupid ads: "We deliver anywhere in Canada." Oh, really? Are you going to helicopter that pizza to Takla Landing or Kemano? (I fought for years with suppliers who insisted that they could send me their product via FedX or UPS when neither came to my neck of the woods.) The tough problem comes in restraining gung-ho sales types. They will promise the world and give away the shop at the boss's expense. All companies have limited abilities and they should be honest about that. If you deliver pizza, then include your 25 km limit in your ad. Those big posters in front of car dealerships that say "0 % financing" should also explain the catch. I guess I like truth in advertising. I certainly don't blame a company for trying to control expenses, so long as they are up-front honest about it, and fair about it. If I live way out in the toolies, then the company should tell me ahead of time that extra delivery charges are my problem. Don't surprise me. (I think it's UPS that has a $50 bonding charge to bring things to Canada from the US. A lot of Canadians have been burnt by that one.) If they can't provide the product or service to me, for whatever reason, then they should stop advertising to me. I understand that they might not want my business; that's fair enough. Quite simply, they should stop trying to lure me in. I knew an accountant with an unlisted phone. That enabled him to choose his customers. By not listing his phone, by not advertising in any way, he was able to avoid drop-in customers and work he really didn't want to do. Smart man. No hurt feelings.
From: over the mountain | Registered: Nov 2002
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 08 July 2004 10:25 AM
I hear you! My favourite bit of "fine print", and this is very common at clearance sales, closeouts, etc., is when a huge rack of, say, pants says "As Low as $9.99", but when you look there's a single pair of robins egg blue rugby pants, 26 Waist, 34 leg, with a stain, for $9.99. All the other pants start at $29.99 and go up from there.In my world the sign, by law, would have to say "As High as $49.99", and if you're still interested enough to see about the blue rugbys you can go ahead, but at least you know what's really on that rack. One of my more amusing run-ins with absurd policy happened when I went to Winners, to buy some underwear for Mrs. Magoo. I found a package of the kind she wanted, and it was $5.99. Then I found another one, and this one was only $3! I brought them both to the cash, fully expecting to pay $3 for each, but the sales clerk rang them up as-is, and the total was over $10. I pointed out to her that one was on sale, and that presumably the other simply hadn't been marked down yet, but wasn't the sale price in the computer? The clerk insisted that they were different prices because they were "different", but I pointed out to her that the packages were identical, and the manufacturer's product number was identical too. An assistant manager came over and basically insisted that this was normal store policy, that occassionally identical items in the same department will have different prices and there was nothing she could do about it. I quite loudly reiterated everything she said, and did my best to emphasize the absurdity of this policy to any other shoppers nearby. I took the on-sale pair and left the full price behind. When I got back to my office, I phoned Winners head office and spoke to a customer relations employee. She informed me that Winners marks products down by date, and in fact the date a product enters their store is on the price tag. Apparently one pair had been in the store longer and had been automatically marked down by the system, the other hadn't. I pointed out that this is entirely counterintuitive to a shopper, and that we really don't care if one product has been in the store for 3 weeks longer than another identical product, but I was polite (since there was nobody around to hear me anyway ) and thanked her for her time. And of course we all know why perverse and illogical policies exist in the first place: so min-wage employees on the front lines of customer dissatisfaction can wring their hands and say "but it's policy... there's nothing I can do." Or as the pimply-faced teen on the Simpsons puts it, "I dunno... I'm gonna have to ask my manager".
From: ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø, | Registered: Dec 2002
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Cougyr
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posted 08 July 2004 01:17 PM
Those who live in remote parts of Canada are familiar with the "grid" system, or "mileage" system, of pricing, and how nuts this can be. Essentially, a product price includes a transportation cost based on distance from a major city, like Vancouver. In theory, the farther away, the higher the cost. The trouble is that the clerks in the city who make up the pricing schedules, don't know geography. So, two towns 1200 & 1240 kms from the city can have radically different prices for the same thing, with the farther town having the cheaper price. It is not possible to get big companies to change their grids. And, we run into absolute insanities, "We don't ship to Texas." This, a response as to why they didn't ship to Houston, BC.
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arborman
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posted 08 July 2004 02:56 PM
A friend of mine is a substitute teacher, and in the summers works with a large class of kids with significant special needs.He is also an inveterate 'bottom feeder'and clothing buyer. Last summer he told me, with some delight, about a field trip on which he took the 20 or so special needs kids to the downtown area. On arrival, he looked around at all the stores, and asked himself 'Now, which one of these stores was the most haughty and rude to me this year?" Holt Renfrew won the prize, and got a visit from the class. His description of the look of horror and panic on the part of the staff as the class entered the store has me chuckling even now.
From: I'm a solipsist - isn't everyone? | Registered: Aug 2003
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