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Doug
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posted 17 May 2008 11:44 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So maybe Italy is really becoming fascist again...scary!

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Sixty-eight per cent of Italians, fuelled by often inflammatory attacks by the new rightwing government, want to see all of the country's 150,000 Gypsies, many of them Italian citizens, expelled, according to an opinion poll.

The survey, published as mobs in Naples burned down Gypsy camps this week, revealed that the majority also wanted all Gypsy camps in Italy to be demolished .


68% of Italians want Roma expelled


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Slushy
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posted 17 May 2008 11:48 AM      Profile for Slushy        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Italy can't legally expel Romanian citizens. According to the article, since Romania and Italy are members of the EU, their respective citizens can live and work anywhere in the EU.

[ 17 May 2008: Message edited by: Slushy ]


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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 17 May 2008 11:49 AM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if George Bush will compare this to the Nazis?
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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 17 May 2008 11:53 AM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Roma aren't from Romania.
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Slushy
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posted 17 May 2008 11:58 AM      Profile for Slushy        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Italy will have a new government within a year. They've had over 60 since the end of WWII. No Italian government is going to risk its EU membership by violating the rights of another member's citizens. What will happen is some sort of vigilante groups will form, like the ones along the US/Mexico border. That's when things may get ugly.
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posted 17 May 2008 11:58 AM      Profile for Slushy        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:
Roma aren't from Romania.

I thought Roma was short for Romanian.


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Doug
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posted 17 May 2008 11:59 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:
I wonder if George Bush will compare this to the Nazis?

And cheese off his friend Berlusconi? Not likely.


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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 17 May 2008 12:02 PM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Roma are commonly referred to as "Gypsies". There are Roma in Romania but the names are a coincidence I think. Roma are nomadic and their origin is said to be the Hindi Valley (aka India) but I've never heard their take on this that is just the anthropologist story.
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Doug
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posted 17 May 2008 12:05 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Slushy:
What will happen is some sort of vigilante groups will form, like the ones along the US/Mexico border. That's when things may get ugly.

May form? Read the article - they have formed - several Roma camps have been burned down.


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Doug
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posted 17 May 2008 12:08 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Slushy:

I thought Roma was short for Romanian.

No - the more popular, though derogatory term is gypsies.

Wikipedia article on the Roma


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posted 17 May 2008 12:59 PM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And cheese off his friend Berlusconi? Not likely.

It's funny that when something happens exactly like the Nazis GWB and friends stay quiet. And when something nothing like the Nazis (e.g. talking to "terrorists") comes up it is worthy of comparison. I guess that isn't funny as much as predictable.


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posted 17 May 2008 01:05 PM      Profile for Arifwala Boy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:

It's funny that when something happens exactly like the Nazis GWB and friends stay quiet.


wHAT was exactly like the NAZIS?


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lagatta
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posted 17 May 2008 02:35 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Violen ethnic cleansing of a group that was singled out for mass murder in the Nazi genocide is not "exactly like the Nazis?"

Actually, many of the Roma in Italy are from Romania - think Romania is not an EU member yet? There are also many Roma from Hungary, which is, and other Roma who have lived in Italy for hundreds of years.


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posted 17 May 2008 02:36 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For some reason I had thought that Italy was a very progressive country.
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posted 17 May 2008 02:52 PM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
For some reason I had thought that Italy was a very progressive country.

Why?


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quote:
Originally posted by Le Téléspectateur:

Why?


I'm not sure.


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lagatta
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Traditionally a country very divided between left and right. Where I lived the regional government was Communist (which means about NDP). There has been a deep weakening of the mass of the left and of class-consciousness, which like in France with le Front national has allowed the far right to get a hold in some popular sectors. The people who burned down the Roma camp in Naples were from housing estates that were scarcely better-off than the camp... Sad wars among the poor.

There was a good antifascist demo in Verona, yesterday, against another right-wing inspired crime - a band of neo-fascists beat a young man to death. Roma and immigrant groups led the demo - antiracists/antifascists in Italy are discussing the best response to the attacks on Roma.


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posted 18 May 2008 03:49 PM      Profile for Skinny Dipper   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Slushy:
Italy can't legally expel Romanian citizens. According to the article, since Romania and Italy are members of the EU, their respective citizens can live and work anywhere in the EU.

[ 17 May 2008: Message edited by: Slushy ]


If I am correct, Italy could expel non-Italian Roma who are not able to find work after three months. The only catch is that if the Italian government returned any of the Roma, the same Roma could return to Italy as border restrictions from Romania to Italy are limited.

The Roma are treated negatively in Europe. For example, get on a crowded streetcar and see a Roma family sitting on some seats. When the family leaves the crowded streetcar, no one will sit on the now empty seats.


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