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remind
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posted 26 February 2008 08:38 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thought I would start a thread to try and explore women's viewpoints, in particular, racialized women's viewpoints on what they see occuring in regards to women's rights and current actions occuring in Canada, and what they want to happen in regards to feminism and creating a meeting place between all Canadian women.

Though I am a racialized white woman, and have experienced the sharp brunt of discrimination beyond my gender, I still cannot know what WOC want from a united fight to gain women's equality and what they support, or do not support. Nor can I understand personally how being raised with this discrimination feels to one as an adult still experiencing it, nor how it has impacted development.

Understanding that each persons POV will be diverse as there is no 1 voice, but I feel illuminating a general perception of differing communities on issues that face us all, such as; Bill C484, or abortion rights, or affirmative action for women in political parties, would be a good place to start.

The reason why I specify issues that face us all, as opposed to a more narrow dialogue about things that face only certain segments of women in society, is to build a foundation of understanding between us, as it seems we need to start again with the basics. Plus, of course is the recognition that individual women's community issues must be addressed by them, with other women only giving a supporting role if needed.

** This is a women only thread please


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margrace
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posted 26 February 2008 08:42 AM      Profile for margrace        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am a firm believer in getting more women into parliament. On the News last night they zeroed into Mr. Harper speaking. Behind and around him a bunch of mostly older white men is suits. When they zeroed into Dion there was I believe one woman to be seen and when they went into Layton there were several women.

Does this not speak to how important women are to our leaders?


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remind
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posted 26 February 2008 08:50 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting observation margrace, and I concur, it does show what party does know gender equality and IMV, more action needs to be taken to get more women into parliament. It would also be helpful if they were actually feminist women of course. I would not like to see the likes of more Betty Hintons for example.

Here in BC, the BCNDP, now have a cap of 30% women replacements for incumbent ridings with a 10% cap for other minorities. Though unpopular with some men in the BCNDP, I believe it is a good move.


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Michelle
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posted 26 February 2008 09:02 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An interesting book review on the topic of racialized women and reproductive rights struggles:

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Nelson's key thesis is that black and Latina women were essential to developing a feminist movement for reproductive freedom in the 1970s and early 1980s that extended beyond the fight for legalized abortion to encompass a broad right to reproductive control, including the right to bear children. As Nelson writes, "Black women seldom receive proper credit for the work they have done for reproductive rights. Nor have white feminists often acknowledged the extent to which black women shaped the feminist reproductive rights movement" (56). In the late 1960s feminist reproductive rights advocates centered on gaining fertility control for women by extending access to legal abortion and birth control. Nelson chronicles the dramatic transformation of this agenda over the course of the next two decades to include opposition to sterilization abuse and other forms of population control. Her first chapter describes the evolution of Redstockings, a radical feminist organization in New York City that was founded in 1967 and burst on the political scene by disrupting the first New York State legislative hearings on abortion law reform in 1969. Nelson explains how Redstockings shifted abortion activism from the movement for birth control to a central aspect of the feminist struggle for women's autonomy, including control over reproduction.

Although she criticizes Redstockings' "political blind spot" in failing to recognize the different experiences (and I would add political status) of women of color and poor women, Nelson helpfully elucidates the group's radical defense of abortion rights that distinguished it from mainstream liberal women's organizations such as NOW. In the process she brings the contentious period to life through fascinating details about Redstockings' rhetorical and organizing strategies as well as confrontations with its adversaries. Nelson's careful attention to political nuance among people who are often conveniently lumped together, from white women's liberationists and birth control advocates to black nationalist men, is a particular strength of this book.


Women of Color and the Reproductive Rights Movement

I've been reading a bit recently (just articles and some internet research, no huge scholarly tomes or anything) about how women of colour have felt alienated by a predominantly white pro-choice movement that focuses mostly on abortion and the right for a woman to restrict her own fertility through birth control and abortion.

Whereas women of colour have had to fight for the right to bear children and to fight against the racism they experience as a result if they have children, and stereotypes of themselves as overly fertile and their children as unwanted by society.

Another interesting historical note:

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First, she explicates black women's distinctive understanding of reproductive rights by chronicling their activism in relation to white feminists and to men in the black liberation movement. As Nelson puts it, "In listening to black women, one discovers that they offered a more complicated view of reproductive control than did either Black Nationalists or white women's liberationists" (56). Black women placed reproductive rights in a social context that made government provision of family planning contingent on improvements in general health and living conditions.

[ 26 February 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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remind
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posted 26 February 2008 09:49 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Michelle, that is a reality that I would very much like to see discussed, from many parameters actually. and how WoC see abortions, and how, or what is:

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family planning contingent on improvements in general health and living conditions.

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adam stratton
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posted 26 February 2008 03:08 PM      Profile for adam stratton        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
and how WoC see abortions

Many factors contribute in shaping women's views on abortion. The colour of their skin is not one of them.


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kropotkin1951
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posted 26 February 2008 03:28 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by adam stratton:

Many factors contribute in shaping women's views on abortion. The colour of their skin is not one of them.


And you know this how?

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adam stratton
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posted 26 February 2008 04:39 PM      Profile for adam stratton        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because there is no reliable and convincing scientific data that indicates any correlation between the two: skin colour and thought process.
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martin dufresne
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posted 26 February 2008 04:46 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the other hand, I see mounting evidence for a relationship between pallid skin colour and lack of thought process in some guys...

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Michelle
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posted 26 February 2008 04:48 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi guys. Please respect the request at the beginning of this thread for a women-only discussion. Thanks.
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mary123
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posted 27 February 2008 12:05 PM      Profile for mary123     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for interjecting Michelle I don't want to see another thread derailed especially when there is a great dialogue happening and the potential for more interesting developments.

Several very good and important threads growing lately ESPECIALLY when they are not derailed and disrespected by silliness.

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kropotkin1951
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posted 27 February 2008 12:09 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My apologies, I should know better!
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Michelle
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posted 27 February 2008 12:15 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No prob. Thanks!
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posted 02 March 2008 12:53 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just found this article on one of my favourite blogs. It refers to a few other blog discussions recently that have been deleted or shut down, but you can follow the arguments by the WOC in the comments, and actually see, reenacted, the issues that WOC struggle with against white feminists regarding reproductive health issues in general, and Planned Parenthood specifically.

There's also tons of info about Planned Parenthood, some of which I already knew, some of which I didn't.

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It’s dangerous to not know the history of an organization–even more dangerous to not know its present. Yes, PP has done some absolutely amazing and brilliant things. PP has also done some detestable and horrific things–and it is WRONG to let the detestable and horrific things pass because of the good things. It’s even worse to call a woman of color who has had a bad experience with her reproductive life “stupid” because there is no critical analysis of how a historically “population control” centered institute is currently conducting its business.

La Chola: brownfemipower


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RosaL
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posted 02 March 2008 03:06 PM      Profile for RosaL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Women with disabilities tend to have a different "slant" and different experiences of these matters as well. However, since that's not the topic of the thread, I'll say no more.

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posted 02 March 2008 05:03 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
RosaL, there are many connections between racism, disability and the historical eugenics movement, mostly involving enforced sterilization (that continues to this day). This has also historically (and currently) included poor women, of all racial backgrounds and abilities.
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posted 02 March 2008 05:04 PM      Profile for RosaL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bigcitygal:
RosaL, there are many connections between racism, disability and the historical eugenics movement, mostly involving enforced sterilization (that continues to this day). This has also historically (and currently) included poor women, of all racial backgrounds and abilities.

yep. That's some of what I had in mind.

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posted 02 March 2008 05:23 PM      Profile for margrace        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My daughter and some coleagues have been doing a study of the treatment of Native Women in BC by the medical system. I don't believe it is published yet but I read some of the stories and they are heart breaking. About Native Women going into immerg for treatment and being vertually ignored.
When this is published I will be happy to pass it on to anyone who wants to read it.

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