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Geneva
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posted 22 August 2007 03:38 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
curiouser and curiouser, but very good PR:
http://tinyurl.com/2fnurl

Up to a quarter of a million Londoners are today eligible for half-price bus and tram travel as Ken Livingstone's Venezuelan oil deal finally went live.

The travel scheme, worth up to £280 a year for everyone on income support, follows an agreement by Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez to give the capital discounted fuel for its bus fleet.

In return for the 20 per cent discount on oil, Venezuela will get City Hall expertise in public transport and tourism provided free of charge.

The launch of the scheme has been shrouded in secrecy but the Standard can reveal that it becomes operational today.

Londoners on income support will have to take proof of their status to a post office to get a special photocard for a discounted Oystercard.

[ 22 August 2007: Message edited by: Geneva ]


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N.Beltov
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posted 22 August 2007 05:20 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Tories have criticised the idea as a classic piece of "Red Ken" gesture politics and have said that a country like Venezuela would do better to use such discounts on its own people.

This must be the first time for Conservatives to argue that helping poor people in developing coutries is more important than helping poor people in Britain. Hugo Chavez is turning Tories into leftist radicals. What a laugh. It's amusing as hell to see these Conservatives jump through ideological hoops in an effort to put a negative spin on this.

"Now roll over and play dead."


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jeff house
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posted 22 August 2007 10:36 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maye it is the first time. Similarly, in Venezuela, it may be the first time that the opposition is criticizing Chavez from the left:

quote:

"para mí es un crimen que en un país con hambre, con crimen, desempleo, servicios públicos deteriorados, que el Gobierno esté regalando nuestra riqueza".

"Tanto la persona que regala los recursos como quien los recibe son pecadores", señaló Rosales. "Éticamente, el señor Livingstone no debería aceptar esta donación. En nombre de Venezuela, yo le solicito que no nos arruine más. Si Londres necesitara el petróleo barato, sería otra cosa, pero hablamos de Londres, una de las ciudades más ricas del mundo".

El rotativo británico destaca que 38% de los venezolanos viven en pobreza, y que 18% de la población sufrió de malnutrición en 2003.


According to opposition leader Manuel Rosales at a London press Conference:

"For me it is a crime that in a country with hunger, with crime, with unemployment, and with its own public services deteriorated, the Government gives away our natural resources."

....

"Ethically, Mr. Livingstone shouldn't accept this donation. In the name of Venezuela, I beg of him not to continue destroying us. If London needed cheap petroleum, that would be one thing; but we are talking about London, one of the richest cities in the world."

At the London Conference, it was highlighted that 38% of Venezuelans live in poverty, and 18% of the population suffered from malnutrition in 2003."
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While we may believe that this fellow is insincere, I know for a fact that when national resources are sent abroad to help foreigners instead of Venezuelans, it creates LOTS of anger within the country.


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N.Beltov
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posted 22 August 2007 10:53 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Someone like Manuel Rosales, who supported the US sponsored 2002 coup d'etat, can campaign "from the left" all he likes, but when it comes time to implement policy it's extremely unlikely he's going to be a better friend of the poor than the current President, Hugo Chavez.

But hey, I know, that's bourgeois democracy, eh? Say what you like and then screw the poor anyway. He'll just say it was an honest mistake - as he claims that signing the Carmona Decree was an "honest mistake".


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Pogo
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posted 22 August 2007 11:00 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It wasn't a gift, Venezuela is getting something in return also.

It sure looks like spin to me for the opposition to question committments to the poor. I would think their only contact with the poor would be when they reviewed the salaries of their servants.


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N.Beltov
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posted 22 August 2007 11:38 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Pogo: It wasn't a gift, Venezuela is getting something in return also.

Agreed. It's a kind of "trade" that the Chavez government has been doing a lot of: cheap oil for medical and dental treatment for poor people; now this example; more to follow no doubt. Chavez may be looking at improving public transit and helping to reduce domestic oil consumption, make people more mobile, etc.

Clever policy that's bound to enrage the US.


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ceti
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posted 22 August 2007 03:55 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They are actually building subway systems like crazy in Venezuela. If I were an civil engineer, I'd be down there right now.
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