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audra trower williams
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posted 03 February 2004 08:14 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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DENTON, Texas (AP) -- About 40 people gathered outside an Eckerd pharmacy Monday, protesting what they said was a decision to deny a rape victim a prescription for the morning-after pill.

A spokesman for the Florida-based company confirmed that Eckerd has taken disciplinary action in response to an incident at the store.

"Apparently there was a request for a prescription to be filled and the prescription was denied based on a moral or ethical decision made by the pharmacist, and that's not in accordance with our corporate policy," said Joan Gallagher, vice president of communications for Largo, Florida-based Eckerd Corp.


fucking disgusting.


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posted 03 February 2004 09:09 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow. Not that it's surprising. Well, okay, I admit, I was a little surprised that there are 40 people in Texas who support reproductive choice, but... (yeah yeah, sorry, couldn't help it)
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posted 03 February 2004 11:58 PM      Profile for Jesse Hoffman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is absolutely appalling, unfourtunatly not all that surprising. I can't think of a place worse than Texas to live. It's home to some of the most biggoted, awful individuals on the planet.
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posted 04 February 2004 01:20 AM      Profile for Sine Ziegler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And even if that pharmacist had the right to turn the woman down for whatever personal reasons, professionally they should have at least referred her to another pharmacist who didn't have an ethical conflict.
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posted 04 February 2004 01:24 AM      Profile for Sara Mayo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The sad thing is women were probably denied acess to the morning-after-pill for years by this pharmacist. It took a rape survivor to be "served" by this pharmacist before the media noticed and things changed.
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posted 04 February 2004 01:27 AM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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And even if that pharmacist had the right to turn the woman down for whatever personal reasons, professionally they should have at least referred her to another pharmacist who didn't have an ethical conflict.
Just from a totally abstract logical perspective, if you believe prescribing morning-after pills is wrong, how can you refer the individual to someone who doesn't think it is wrong, knowing that the customer would thus be able to get morning-after pills? Doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of opposing morning-after pills (ie, to prevent women from having access to them)?

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posted 04 February 2004 08:23 AM      Profile for DownTheRoad     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The US Food and Drug Administration’s scientific advisory committees have recommended switching emergency contraception to non-prescription status. The FDA is not required to follow committee recommendations, but almost always does. Last I heard a decision was expected sometime this month.
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posted 04 February 2004 10:45 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Walmart won't even carry them in their pharmacies. Which is bullshit, but at least you can know to steer clear of them (for another reason).
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Aren't there any clinics where this is available? EC is just an overdose of birthcontrol pills and most walk in clinics have scads of samples for free.

The Emergency room at the hospital?

The pharmacist should have referred her to another pharmacist who would hand them over.


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posted 04 February 2004 01:38 PM      Profile for Alix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But not all Emergency Rooms - even in Canada most hospitals affiliated with the Catholic Church refuse to give out the morning-after pill.

I know for certain here that KGH will, but Hotel Dieu won't.


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posted 04 February 2004 01:47 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That pisses me off. They should damn well lose their public funding, and the building and equipment (paid for by public dollars) appropriated and run secularly.
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posted 04 February 2004 02:06 PM      Profile for terra1st     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
why not just go to planned parenthood, naral/caral, or some other similar agency? there's usually one or more in each major centre and they have them for free.
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why not just go to planned parenthood, naral/caral, or some other similar agency? there's usually one or more in each major centre and they have them for free.

Seems obvious enough, but let's keep in mind that we're talking about Texas.


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posted 04 February 2004 02:21 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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why not just go to planned parenthood, naral/caral, or some other similar agency?

If your tax dollars are already funding a public hospital, why should you have to? I agree with Michelle: yank their funding, effective immediately. If they want to make moral choices a prerequisite for medical care, then they should foot their own freight. Cease any and all transfer payments and watch them wither. Then open up a new public hospital as soon as they've slunk off.

I'd suggest the same for any religiously funded high-school that doesn't obey the Charter to a 'T'. Wanna forbid a gay couple from coming to the dance? Fine, as long as you have $42 million to cover next year's operating budget, and don't mind if your graduates don't receive official Secondary School accreditation from the province.


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posted 04 February 2004 02:26 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Except, I don't even want them to try to make it on their own because I don't believe in two-tier health care and privately-funded hospitals.

Kick the church out, period. Fund it properly publicly, and staff it with people who are willing to offer a full range of services.


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posted 04 February 2004 02:34 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Except, I don't even want them to try to make it on their own because I don't believe in two-tier health care and privately-funded hospitals.

I dunno. I have to think that with zero government help, they'd flounder in a hurry. I'm sure some funding would be found, but not nearly enough... and I doubt that some Catholic parent is willing to pay $1500 out of pocket to have their kid's sprained ankle looked at just so they can force women to carry pregnancies to term.

And if they did pay up, and if the hospital did survive, what do I care? As long as we save the cost of that hospital we can apply it to a new hospital, or better fund existing hospitals. It takes nothing from me.

And the two-tier system might work great for schools, namely because our tier would be the one who pay only taxes and receive a diploma upon graduation, and theirs would be the one who pay out of pocket and receive fuck-all upon graduation. Best o' luck getting a job when your diploma isn't endorsed by the government. Have you considered the priesthood? Hehe.


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posted 04 February 2004 02:50 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Umm Mr Magoo,

Even when the catholic school were Not funded by the gov't, their diplomas were recognized by the gov't. Even non funded jewish, muslim and protestant schools have their diplomas recognized by the government.

I may agree with you that only the public schools should be funded by the government but the diplomas are still and alway have been, recognized


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posted 05 February 2004 01:31 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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staff it with people who are willing to offer a full range of services.

I wouldn't go so far as to bar people from working at the hospital who disagree with abortion or other "medical" procedures. As long as there were enough staff to meet the demand for the procedures that would suffice.


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posted 05 February 2004 01:38 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Abortion is a medical procedure, and reproductive rights are one of the most fundamental human rights for women of reproductive age.
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posted 05 February 2004 01:57 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Trinitty:
I wouldn't go so far as to bar people from working at the hospital who disagree with abortion or other "medical" procedures. As long as there were enough staff to meet the demand for the procedures that would suffice.

Yes, I guess I could agree with that.


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If I were a medical practitioner, nothing this side of hell would convince me to perform an abortion. However, I would not prevent others from performing that service, and I wouldn't have a problem referring a woman to those services.

Not everyone who is against abortion is against choice. Religion often has nothing to do with it, though I agree with Michelle that the church needs to keep it's big nosy parker out of people's private lives and personal decisions.

I have a big ethical problem with terminating a potential human being, but a potential pregnancy? Every time a sexually active, reproductively viable woman ovulates, it's a potential pregnancy. To want to exert that kind of control over a woman's body is like demanding the right to repeatedly rape her.

No one should be forced to perform tasks that challenge their fundamental ethics, but where certain individual choices are concerned, they shouldn't be permitted to force their ethics on others either.


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I'd add one thing: if you work in the cafeteria, or another wing in the hospital, or whatever, stay away from the area where procedures that offend you take place. Frankly, I wouldn't put it past some busybody orderly to take a few minutes out of their lunch to try and counsel some poor misguided women. Employees need to know that this would cost them their job on the first offence.
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Back in the early 80s, a friend of mine was in a major Toronto hospital for a therapeutic abortion (treatment for a false pregnancy), and was treated like a pariah by the nursing staff. My friends shrugged it off a witless ignorance, but I remember wondering how a woman in for termination of an actual pregnancy would feel, being treated like a misguided slut by people who were supposed to look after her.
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That is why I was most taken aback at the tone of your previous post, after all your posts on why we mustn't call Belinda a rich bitch.

All of that "potential human life" stuff is just a way of keeping women locked in medieval oppression, denied the right to control their own fertility and their own wombs.


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posted 05 February 2004 02:46 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I wouldn't go so far as to bar people from working at the hospital who disagree with abortion or other "medical" procedures. As long as there were enough staff to meet the demand for the procedures that would suffice.

It would be difficult to ensure that all the employees in the whole hospital weren't anti-choice/anti-abortion, granted. I do think, though, that if a doctor has an ideological opposition to performing certain necessary procedures, they should look for a line of work or a practice that doesn't call upon them to even have to contemplate it. I think it's unethical for any gynecologist or obstetrician to do some parts of their job but not all. Respect for the patient's needs and choices should be fundamental and if it's not possible for a doctor to maintain enough respect for their patients to honour their request for an abortion, they should be working in podiatry or something. It's like a dentist not wanting to pull teeth...

I know it's not that simple, but I think it's extremely stupid for someone to work in a profession with a scope beyond their own ideological boundaries. They must know at the outset of their specialized study that they'll be required to perform abortions, and if they're not prepared to deal with that appropriately when the time comes, they should come up with a different specialization.

I guess the same goes for pharmacists who don't believe in contraception, emergency or otherwise.

That's what I think, anyways.

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quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
That is why I was most taken aback at the tone of your previous post, after all your posts on why we mustn't call Belinda a rich bitch.

All of that "potential human life" stuff is just a way of keeping women locked in medieval oppression, denied the right to control their own fertility and their own wombs.


That "medieval potential human life stuff" happens to be my passionately held personal ethical position on abortion. A position which I do not ask anyone else to accept or agree. As I have said before, I am very much pro-choice, and have been a pro-choice activist, I stood outside Morgentaller's clinic on Harbord Street (before it was blown up) at 7am in the middle of winter with the rest of the OCAC crowd to protect clinic patients from the anti-choice scum who harassed them. I went to Ottawa to protest Mulroney's attempt to roll back Choice. You wanna call that medieval? Fuck you.

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I think apologies are in order, lagatta.

As far as other medical staff go, it's tricky. A friend of mine was recently referred by her doctor to the hospital for an abortion. A week went by and the hospital never called. So I pressured her to call back. The receptionist (who squealed "YAY! A BABY!" when she saw my friend's positive test for pregnancy) snapped that she'd faxed it, but she'd fax it again. 4 days go by, no call. So I made my friend call again, and the other receptionist said "The form is right here. It's not even all the way filled in yet. There is no way it was sent."

Enraging.

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That's outrageous. That receptionist needs a swift kick in the ass. How dare she assume that every woman wants a baby? How dare she obstruct a medical process that becomes less safe and more troublesome as time progresses? Grrrrrr.
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I know, Rebecca. It's totally disgusting. She also shouted to my friend, as she was leaving the doctor's office that first day "Lots of people want to adopt Caucasian babies!"

I want to punch her.

The worst part is, my very intellegent very well educated and savvy friend had to be more or less brow-beaten by me (and my friend Kate, who is training to be an abortion provider) into repeatedly calling back to check the status of her referral, because she couldn't fathom that the receptionist was actually plainly lying to her. What about women who don't have best friends who are pro-choice activists?


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A lot of women get bullied, cajoled and manipulated into having babies they don't want or aren't ready for. Maybe for some, having the baby ends up being the best thing that ever happened to them. But I suspect that most unwilling mothers and their children have a really hard time of it.

Has anyone launched a formal complaint against the receptionist?


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Your friend should file a complaint with the hospital. That receptionist should be fired. She willfully impeded the administrative process necessary for the provision of a medical procedure, and an argument might even be made that she did so with malice. She should be in big, big trouble.

[ 05 February 2004: Message edited by: Lima Bean ]


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not to mention the fact that you've only got so long to have that procedure. 2-4 weeks makes a HUGE difference to a womans right to choose... that's a large portion of a person's window of oportunity!
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Exactly! I think that's where the argument that the receptionist operated with malice comes in. She must have realized that this was a time-sensitive referral (as they all should be, really), and delayed it intentionally. That's pretty frickin' rotten.

I'd fire her right now if she were my receptionist.


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My friend (it really is a friend, I swear. If it had happened to me, I'd have issued a press release) doesn't feel prepared to launch any sort of formal process.
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Hmm well something really should be done, that receptionist should NOT be able to get away with that. Maybe you should consider issuing a complaint yourself?
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posted 05 February 2004 07:23 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Based on what?
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Were you with her at any point during this? Did you see anything that happened first-hand? Such as the receptionist calling out that comment about caucasian babies? (Which, btw, is just so disgusting I can barely wrap my mind around how anyone could be so fucking stupid and insensitive.)
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Based on what?

Yeah well I suppose it's true that if you didn't see any of this first hand than you can't really place your own complaint. But like Michelle said what the receptionship did and said was simply disgusting, she shouldn't be able to get away with it. Is your friend dead set on not launching a complaint or any other course of action?


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No I wasn't there, and yes she is.
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Ah well that's too bad. But it's ultimatly her choice of course.
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It's a small city.
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Yeah, I see what you mean. Pity that someone wouldn't be able to speak out because prevailing attitudes about women who have abortions would mean she'd be stigmatized.
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Wouldn't a little camera hidden in a handbag be a nice thing to have in a situation like that? There's something so persistent about incriminating video, the way it keeps popping up and popping up to rub someone's face in it until they get it.
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What about sending an anonymous story lead to CBC's disclosure (or something like it). This seems like the kind of thing they might cover. I guess they'd want a case study, though...

I'll bet this kind of discrimination and meddling happens a fair bit. It'd be interesting to see it get some press.


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Audra's friend is probably under enough stress, given the circumstances, and can't cope with more. Totally understandable. And totally her choice not to complain formally. I think it's great that she has friends to support her through a rough process like this.
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Audra's friend is probably under enough stress, given the circumstances, and can't cope with more. Totally understandable. And totally her choice not to complain formally. I think it's great that she has friends to support her through a rough process like this.

Yeah I can certainly understand why she wouldn't want to. Sadly I wouldn't be surprised to see her be attack by awful right-wing pro-life assholes for even launching a formal complaint.


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quote:
Originally posted by JesseHoffman:
Hmm well something really should be done, that receptionist should NOT be able to get away with that. Maybe you should consider issuing a complaint yourself?

hmm.... i think the important thing to remember here is choice. if the friend doesn't want to take any sort of action, that's her choice. when a person experiences something like this (much like when an experience of assault occurs) the survivor of that experience needs to be one directing any and all courses of action, regardless of how strongly others may feel. i feel it's the first step to self-empowerment. i recognize that we love our friends and want to take care of them and also we may want to prevent these bad things from happening to others. however, i personally feel that it's kind of anti-feminist for me to make judgements about what anothers needs and feelings are. just my two cents.


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posted 09 February 2004 04:32 PM      Profile for Jesse Hoffman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good post. I compleatly understand what your saying, it is definatly her choice, I was just concerned that the same thing might happen to other women with that same receptionist.
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it would be an interesting story for an undercover reporter to investigate...i wonder how often things like this happen...probably all too frequently... :/
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posted 16 February 2004 05:10 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She wrote this about it. Please pass it around.
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posted 16 February 2004 06:08 PM      Profile for terra1st     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
who can I get in touch with to help?

we've got lotsa stuff that the folk doing this might find useful... Please pass on to the folk who do that website that they should look at our site and get in touch about working together on something!


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posted 16 February 2004 11:01 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Clarification.ca is a project I am doing.

I couldn't get your link to work.


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posted 17 February 2004 10:39 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, the link works now! Good work.
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As a followup to the original story, all three pharmacists on duty that day were fired by the company after their investigation
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Good.
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