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CUPE_Reformer
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posted 20 July 2007 03:03 AM      Profile for CUPE_Reformer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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SOME of the most prominent people in Manitoba organized labour have been named in an unfair labour practice complaint as conducting a campaign of harassment and intimidation against a group of unionized female clerks.

UFCW leaders face intimidation charge


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Michelle
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posted 20 July 2007 03:15 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll never understand unions that treat their own staff like crap.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 20 July 2007 04:29 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rebecca used to work for a progressive lefty institution in Toronto, and after that experience she says she'd never work for lefties again.

Reminds me of a progressive, left wing on line news site and message board that uses non union employees, and at least at one time, didn't have a professional way of dealing with unsatisfactory performance issues of it's employees.


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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 20 July 2007 04:41 AM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not the least bit surprised by this. Having been beaten by UFCW thugs as a younger man, I lack the blind admiration for union gangsterism that most on the left seem to be ensconced in.
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unionist
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posted 20 July 2007 05:18 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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Caissa
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posted 20 July 2007 05:32 AM      Profile for Caissa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice pin, unionist. It would go well next to my "Eat the Rich" pin.

So why do progressive organizations sometimes treat their staff badly?

Is it lack of experience as managers?
Is it the inability to see oneself as management?
Is it a belief that we are fighting a good cause and must make sacrifices?


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unionist
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posted 20 July 2007 05:49 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are we allowed to know:

1. The particulars of the complaint;

2. The particulars of the response;

before making our ruling?

Or, does "presumed innocent" only apply to people accused of murder?


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N.Beltov
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posted 20 July 2007 07:48 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"charge" is a word usually reserved for criminal matters. This conflict centers around an Unfair Labour Practice (or several ULPs) filed by the Canadian Office and Professional Employees Union (COPE) against the employer, UFCW local 832.

COPE webpage

They have 34,000 members with 47 locals and they are a CLC affiliate. There's nothing on their web page, yet, about this conflict. Of course, any conflict that could put any union in a bad light will get lots of "mainstream" media coverage. Babblers should do their own homework in such cases. These conflicts between unions and their employees can get pretty weird.

Having noted that, COPE looks like a legit union that promotes women in its membership, is involved in the all-Canadian, Provincial and Municipal levels of union organization in Canada, and seems to be growing.

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unionist
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posted 20 July 2007 09:58 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Free Press article says the parties were involved in a "bitter, three-month strike earlier this year".

The COPE website, however, says the strike lasted five weeks.

I wonder how much else in the Free Press article was wrong?

COPE says that the employer (UFCW Local 832) ended up dropping their concession demands (including the 2-tier pay for new hires) - but that the workers signed a 4-year deal with no wage increases, and that "wages were never the issue, it was future workers and their well being that led to this strike".

Anyone know what the wages are? If our union negotiated a 4-year deal with no increases, there would be the busy hum of scaffolds being erected.


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munroe
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posted 20 July 2007 10:12 AM      Profile for munroe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
COPE is a very legitimate union and has a large presence amongst clerical workers with other unions, at least in B.C. I wouldn't dismiss the issues raised out of hand, but I agree with Unionist that at this point they are simply allegations (although with a dismissal, there is usually a reverse onus).

This "union as employer" question does arise from time to time as we have seen. I have personal experience in that regard. There are the normal processes available to address the issues, again as we have seen as we will continue to see. In the end, there will be some resolution.

I only wish the corporate media or even progressive websites would report on the same circumstances when other employers are alleged to have committed unfair labour practices against workers. It would keep us busy forever and provide extraordinary copy for media outlets that would curl the public's hair. The incidents are legion.


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munroe
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posted 20 July 2007 10:16 AM      Profile for munroe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I should add one thing. Perhaps Manitoba law differs substantially from B.C., but a dispute of this nature would likely be set for arbitration and not a labour board case. In fact, I strongly doubt the Labour Board here would even take jurisdiction.
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unionist
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posted 20 July 2007 10:25 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by munroe:
I should add one thing. Perhaps Manitoba law differs substantially from B.C., but a dispute of this nature would likely be set for arbitration and not a labour board case. In fact, I strongly doubt the Labour Board here would even take jurisdiction.

I was wondering about that as well. If it were just dismissals, for example, even with allegations of anti-union animus, there is no doubt that deferral to arbitration would be in order. But perhaps, given the broad range of allegations mentioned in the news item, the union feared that their central thrust would get lost in a mulitiplicity of seeming unrelated grievances. Arbitrators have an understandable tendency to deal with one grievance at a time, whereas a labour board can look at the whole picture and make a broader determination of the sort that COPE appears to be seeking here.


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munroe
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posted 20 July 2007 10:43 AM      Profile for munroe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hear you, unionist, but at least in B.C. the applicant does not necessarily have the right to simply choose the venue. This LRB defers to arbitration in cases where there is an existing collective bargaining relationship, except under narrow circumstances. These include matters, for example, where arbitration cannot provide a full remedy. I have found this deferral can be too broadly used (I'm still bitching about a recent case, but it has no relevance to the current thread).

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unionist
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posted 20 July 2007 06:36 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by munroe:
I hear you, unionist, but at least in B.C. the applicant does not necessarily have the right to simply choose the venue.

Oh, I agree, and I didn't mean to suggest the applicant had the choice. But let's say the scenario is like this (I'm just inventing details):

1. Two COPE activists fired in March; COPE grieves, citing anti-union animus.

2. In April, two local UFCW staffers are alleged to be spying on COPE members trying to meet with national officials. COPE grieves, citing some article of the collective agreement or other, also citing generally harassment, and maybe also an article of the Manitoba Labour Relations Act (using the Parry Sound principle that employment-type statutes can be considered as forming part of the c.a.).

3. In May, management issues a memo saying, no coffee at work station and no more personal calls. There is no direct violation of c.a., but union grieves anyway, citing the KVP principle in regard to unreasonable rules not being usable for discipline, and claiming also that management is estopped from changing some long-standing practice without proper notice... etc.

In the normal course, each of these situations (and maybe others - we haven't seen the complaint) would wend their way toward arbitration - separately. COPE might win some, all, or none of them. But if COPE is indeed alleging that they were all part of a coordinated scheme to rid the workplace of the union, it would be very hard, perhaps impossible, to plead the case(s) in that fashion.

Conclusion: I understand why they went to the board, and I'm wondering if even in B.C. (despite my total lack of familiarity with the particularity of the code there) your board might not accept jurisdiction given the problem I outlined above in fulling dealing with the underlying issue at arbitration.


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munroe
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posted 20 July 2007 06:55 PM      Profile for munroe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I understand your analysis and thinking. Even assuming your facts, I strongly believe the B.C. Board would defer. I suppose this is all academic without actually spending a fair amount of time understanding the Manitoba statute.
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