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Accidental Altruist
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posted 28 May 2008 10:15 AM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't know if this is 'feminism' or 'activism' - move this if ya see fit!

And, before anyone starts... I know there's lots of reasons why people avoid/oppose Facebook. I use Facebook and it suits me. Let's not make this a debate about my medium. K?

I recently started a Facebook group called "First Place Pregnancy Centre is anti-choice". Those of you in Ottawa will know that FFPC announced on May 20th that they are suing Planned Parenthood Ottawa. I believe that FPPC is more interested in driving Planned Parenthood out of business that getting their 'clients' back. I am hoping to spread the word about FPPC and "Crisis Pregnancy Centres" in general.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=15043319518

Anyone interesting in doing this on their blogs/websites?


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laine lowe
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posted 28 May 2008 03:47 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for that link AA. Love the comments on the wall.

"Crisis Centre", "First Place", and whatever other disingenuous names these anti-choice folks come up with demonstrates just how lying and manipulative social conservatives are.


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posted 28 May 2008 04:26 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wild. But I don't get what they could be suing Planned Parenthood about - all they were doing was telling the truth.

Unless they're getting semantic about it and saying that they offer "choices" so they're not "anti-choice" in the most literal sense. I suppose if they tried to argue that "anti-choice" doesn't mean "anti-abortion" then that might be a little loophole.

But still...it was clear in the context of the statement that Planned Parenthood put out that what they meant by "anti-choice" was that the organization refuses to provide information or referrals to abortion providers. Which is true.

I'm going to guess that Jesus doesn't like lying, dishonest scum like the people who run these centres, and take advantage of women's distress over unplanned pregnancies by misleading them about the services they offer.

Looks like now that women know their game, they're going elsewhere. Good for them!


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Accidental Altruist
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posted 28 May 2008 05:38 PM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I don't really see any legitimate reason for this lawsuit to be filed... However, no matter how frivolous or misguided - any lawsuit diverts valuable resources away from PP's mandate. I believe First Place Pregnancy Centre is engaged in a sneaky attempt to steer PP off course and into bankruptcy. I believe that that's their *ultimate goal*. Being the mom of a 13 year old girl fuels my drive to make sure that Planned Parenthood stays in business. I perceive their work as an essential public service.
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posted 01 June 2008 11:13 AM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chatting with another Ottawa-based activist yesterday... She opined that this is merely a "slap suit" to bully PP into silence. Until the suit is resolved, PP would pretty much have to avoid any comment on FPPC or it's underhanded goals.

Ugh.


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posted 11 June 2008 09:52 AM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh goody.


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Accidental Altruist
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posted 11 June 2008 01:31 PM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Wild. But I don't get what they could be suing Planned Parenthood about - all they were doing was telling the truth.

And I got shut down for doing the exact same thing.
I'm on some kind of "facebook probation" now. Every time I log on I get a warning:

Please Read This!
Warning! Your account could be disabled.

Your behavior indicates that you may be in violation of Facebook's Terms of Use. Continued misuse of Facebook's features could result in your account being disabled. If you have any questions or concerns, you can visit our FAQ page.

So... because the lawsuit is pending, because Crisis Pregnancy Centres are still under most people's radar, because FPPC has duped folks into believing their BS - I get slapped? Well, that isn't going to stop me. I've just got to get more creative. Suggestions always welcome!


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posted 11 June 2008 02:21 PM      Profile for writer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't have time to write much. This has happened before. jrose wrote a piece for rabble about facebook shutting down choice activists.
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martin dufresne
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posted 11 June 2008 03:49 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Organizations such as FacebookTM will generally bend when faced with a lawsuit by any corporation claiming to be defamed. They are involved with selling us to each other, not seeking truth or social progress.
Some of the most interesting work I have seen taking on these bogus "crisis centres" was done when feminist "moles" took their training for volunteers, and were then able to document that they were strictly instructed to give callers inaccurate infomation about the support they would be getting if they decided not to abort. Trainers showed them how to do everything to steer yiunf women away from genuine abortion information and facilities, until they were too far along in the pregnancy to change their minds. Then would begin the arm-twisting to get them to commit the future child to adoption, with social service agencies brought into the picture and the original request for help held against the woman's assessed capacity to mother...

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Accidental Altruist
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posted 11 June 2008 07:23 PM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you know how to contact anyone who pulled that off at First Choice Pregnancy Centre it would be very helpful! I'm going to need some help with this. I need to find someone (or more than one person) who was a *client* of FPPC before November 23rd, 2007.

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martin dufresne
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posted 11 June 2008 08:22 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, I don't. You would have to talk to Planned Parenthood or other pro-choice activists in the Ottawa area, through the grapevine. Or even place an ad inviting women who would have had a sorry experience with unnamed "crisis centres" to write an anonymous P.O. Box, and take it from there - I'm sure FPPC and their ilk would be just thrilled to see such an ad out there...

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posted 12 June 2008 10:21 AM      Profile for Accidental Altruist   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AHA! A clandestine PO Box! Brilliant!!!
It's so old school, I love it!
Thanks Martin.

I can't ask Planned Parenthood for help, they're already being sued for defamation or some crazy stuff. I need to do this totally on my own as a citizen at large.

I will try and get a copy of the legal documents that were filed with the courts.


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Pride for Red Dolores
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posted 15 June 2008 06:58 PM      Profile for Pride for Red Dolores     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quebec just introduced an anti-slapp
law for just these kinds of cases.

On as similar note, does any one know any good books about the laws the anti-choice movement in canda and/or the US have put forth (in terms of restrictions and such) and their effects ?

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martin dufresne
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posted 16 June 2008 08:38 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's not just in Canada that reproductive choice activists are meeting with low-intensity warfare from people that present themselves as progressives (I am thinking of pro-C-484 Liberals):
quote:
WORLDNET DAILY, MARCH 12, 2008, JILL STANEK

Pro-life Democrats see success

There was an interesting little story in the
Washington Post Feb. 28, with this lead:

"The Virginia Senate voted Wednesday to cut off
state funding to Planned Parenthood of Virginia
because it offers abortions."

These sorts of measures go through fits and
starts in various states and often fizzle. This
particular bill likely won't make it past
Virginia's pro-abort governor, Timothy Kaine.

But what made this vote stand out was this key point, again quoting the Post:

The decision [was] a major setback for the
Senate's new Democratic majority. ...

Democrats could not break one lone pro-life
member, Charles Colgan, from voting with the
Republican minority, creating a 20-20 tie broken
by the
GOP
pro-life lieutenant governor.

One pro-life Democrat made the difference.

When Democrats wrested control of both houses of
Congress on the national level in 2006, the
pro-life situation there looked dire.

It was anticipated Democrats would try to knock
off all long-standing pro-life riders on
appropriations bills and pass anti-life
legislation
to boot.

But none of that happened.

Then two weeks ago, the Senate even passed a ban
against Indian Health Services funding for
abortion.

Also that week, the House stripped language that
had been inserted in the U.S. relief package for
AIDS in Africa (PEPFAR) that would have streamed
funding to abortion groups.

These days Democrat-controlled legislatures
sometimes appear as or more pro-life than
Republican legislatures.

Here's the inside scoop on what's happening with
Democrats on the national level, from well-placed
pro-life spies.

After Nancy Pelosi became speaker, pro-life
Democrats had a private meeting with her to
discuss personal and political ramifications for
them of introducing pro-abortion legislation or
deleting pro-life riders from appropriations
bills.

The meeting included respected senior pro-life
party members, including James Oberstar, chair of
the House Transportation Committee, and Collin
Peterson, chair of the Agriculture Committee,
along with the Democrat pro-life
caucus
leader, Bart Stupak.

Since then Democrats have not pushed the
anti-life agenda other than to increase funding
for "family planning," i.e., Planned Parenthood,
and to try to decrease funding for abstinence.
They eventually bailed on the latter.

Democrat leadership is keenly aware a wrong move
on the abortion issue would fracture its
coalition.

How did PEPFAR language get contaminated? The
chair of the House
Foreign
Affairs Committee, Tom Lantos, was very sick - he
died Feb. 11 - and it is thought staffers got
away with drafting extreme language that
thankfully caused an uproar and was beat back.

With the infusion of pro-life Democrats in 2006,
the number is now between 15 and 30, depending on
the bill. (Embryonic stem cell bills would reveal
the lowest common denominator.)

Those added to the 200 pro-life Republicans are
enough to defeat anti-life proposals.

Senate pro-deathers had enough votes to snuff the
Mexico City Policy, which keeps abortion groups
from getting international family planning money,
but House deathers did not. So it emerged
unscathed.

The 2006 election additionally weeded out many
moderate Republicans. Those left are more
strongly pro-life.

But pro-lifers are making inroads in the Democrat
Party and helping the movement - they should be
lauded.



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