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Sven
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posted 26 July 2006 10:47 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The New York Times
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Noise
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posted 26 July 2006 11:39 AM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't like this move by the Iraqi leader... He's simply reenforcing how much of a puppet he is to the USians, a veiw that cannot be a favorable thing for him within Iraq. He even went as far as thanking the US for invading ^^
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500_Apples
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posted 26 July 2006 11:56 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally I'm very annoyed at some of the senators who boycotted his speech because he refused to condemn Hezbollah. He's technically the prime minister of Iraq and he has a right to not condemn hezbollah and it's pleasing he exercised that right much as I disagree with him personally.

I have not seen any polls of Iraqi public opinion in over a year. The last I looked a slim majority of Iraqis favoured continued American presence, but that number was declining and that was over a year ago. Personally if I was Iraqi and I was planning on staying there I can't imagine wanting the Americans to leave.


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Jingles
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posted 26 July 2006 12:16 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Personally if I was Iraqi and I was planning on staying there I can't imagine wanting the Americans to leave.

Because they're doing such a bang-up job keeping everything together? Are you drunk?

The Americans don't leave their bases. If they do, they get their dicks cut off and stuffed down their throats. When they do patrol, its to rape little girls. They are raping, killing, and plundering the entire country, training, supporting, and equipping death squads, and propping up a South Veitnam-syle regime. You obviously aren't Iraqi, because you would know this. They all do.

There are over a thousand killed a week in Iraq. Who do you think started this thing? Do you know who is John Negroponte? Do you know what is the Salvador Option?

Christ, get a clue.


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500_Apples
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posted 26 July 2006 12:21 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I understand the points you bring up but I have not seen much evidence of Iraqi public opinion agreeing in the majority.

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When they do patrol, its to rape little girls.

Thus far five rapists out of 200, 000 troops, which is probably a better ratio than the general population. but thank you for that stereotype and tarnishing the name of every single one of those people.


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Noise
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posted 26 July 2006 01:13 PM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The last I looked a slim majority of Iraqis favoured continued American presence, but that number was declining and that was over a year ago.

Heh, and bush had over 50% support at one point in time as well.


This has changed though... Every month for the past... quite a few months... Theres been a growing number of Iraqi casualties from growing insurgents. Baghdad is without question the most dangerous city to be in right now (yes, more so than Tyre or Beirut)... Reports coming out are of groups of armed militants in open combat on Iraqi streets along with torture and signs of civil war/genocide.

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Personally I'm very annoyed at some of the senators who boycotted his speech because he refused to condemn Hezbollah.

I never read that... The sheer stupidity of these senators should be made much more public knowledge. The vast majority of Iraqi's hold Anti-american sentiments, so just speaking infront of the Americans as he has here is a calculated risk as is. These senators boycott him because he, the leader of a Shi'a majority country, won't condemn the actions of a Shi'a majority group (Hizbollah)? How many times over do they want want Maliki to commit political suicide here?

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When they do patrol, its to rape little girls.

Jingles, thats as off base as calling every Arab a terrorist. We must fight our urges to group many based on the actions of a few.


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kropotkin1951
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posted 26 July 2006 01:28 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The real outrage is that the Senators that boycotted were Democrats.

More proof for my belief that it really doesn't make much difference to the world if it is the Bush Republicans or the Democrats. They both are controlled by the corporate elite and will do the dirty work required to assure US control over the planet's natural resources.


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jeff house
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posted 26 July 2006 03:23 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The incoherence of Bush's Middle East policy can be seen from the fact that Maliki's party, and Maliki himself, were involved in the founding of Hezbollah.

According to Juan Cole:


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The US Congress, aside from a strange inability to the disproportionate use of force when it sees it, does not seem to realize that the Dawa Party of Iraqi is a revolutionary Shiite religious party not that much different from the Lebanese Hizbullah.

The members of Congress also don't seem to realize that the Iraqi Dawa helped to form the Lebanese Hizbullah back in the early 1980s. The Dawa was in exile in Tehran, Damascus and Beirut and it formed a shadowy terror wing called, generically, Islamic Jihad. The IJ cell of the Dawa attacked the US and French embassies in Kuwait in 1983, in an operation probably directed by the Tehran branch, which was close to Khomeini.

My understanding is that Nuri al-Maliki was the bureau chief of the Dawa cell in Damascus in the 1980s. He must have been closely involved with the Iraqi Dawa in Beirut, which in turn was intimately involved in Hizbullah.


http://www.juancole.com/ (scroll down the page a bit)


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