Without it, any gender issue is sure to wind up on the Feminism forum, regardless of what gender.

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I was wondering how long a "feminism" forum on babble would be able to go without men coming in and telling us what type of feminism and which feminists were acceptable and which ones weren't, and when we feminists are going "too far" (which usually means when we threaten the status quo too much)...(particularly when the statement is made by a man).

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Michelle, after re-reading what you wrote, can you honestly say that the preceeding statement was not sexist? Personally, I find it to be extremely sexist when someone says they don't like someone's opinion "especially when the statement is made by a man".

Do you think that statement would be okay for someone (male or female), if they were referring to women instead?

I don't like what you say Michelle, particularly because you are a woman.

Please. I think someone has to define the difference between feminism and anti-masculinism for those who seem to think they are championing equality, when in fact they are simply pursueing inequality--in favor of women.

I shouldn't be surprised.

Believe whatever you want, Limpy. You're free to have your beliefs. But this is a FEMINIST forum, and contrary to what you may believe or wish to be true, it wasn't designed as a space for men to come and tell feminists that feminism is wrong.

This is just so basic. Christ, what is this, 1910?

You know what? I'm just getting myself all worked up over this even though I knew the second I saw the forum that there would be certain men who would try to hijack it and turn it into a big exercise in baiting feminists.

Guaging from what I am reading, polarization is quite evident, so is it possible to discuss mens and women's issues without the rhetoric?

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Or am I just stupid and naive?

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Well Wagepeace I will go with the later. This whole forum has nothing to do with men's issues or rights. It is a weak at best platform for Limpy to do some irrelivent barffing on a slight he was begging for.

Now I am all for hijacking it and turning into a forum that actually speaks to the issues and positive support if you are.

I don't see how anything I have said (until this post) can be perceived as "backlash". If anybody here is being unreasonable it is those of you who support this theory that only women can further the feminist cause. Furthermore, you are the ones who refuse to enter into a productive dialogue on the issues at hand. I ask again Michelle--do you not think that what you have said previously is sexist and biased against men? If not, explain yourself. I am not picking on you, however I do not appreciate reading completely unsubstantiated fluff pieced together to look like it is meaningful. It's deceptive.

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I think male rights are fine as long as they don't go too far and start seeing the fingerprints of feminism all over everything

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Funny then, earth, that the opposite of that statement is the exact basis of RADICAL feminism.
Radicalists see patriarchy everywhere they look. It is unhealthy to make such sweeping generalizations, and totally out of sync with typical leftist thinking. Radical feminism reminds me so much of right-wing theory it's sickening. Unfortunately, because it is pc, it's considered left.

And no matter what you may want to believe, I am a feminist. I believe women should have equal rights and oppurtunities as men, and I believe in a number of other issues that have little correlation to masculinity (birth control, abortion, teen pregnancy, etc).

Where we seem to be having conflict on a ridiculous scale is when I say "hold up a second, let's be reasonable...do women really need 1/4 million dollar alimony payments? Or should we really be lowering standards to allow more women into such and such an organization?"... And I honestly haven't seen a calm, well-thought out dialogue yet--other than my own. Just a whole lot of sarcasm, clipped words, and lack of logic.

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Michelle, after re-reading what you wrote, can you honestly say that the preceeding
statement was not sexist? Personally, I find it to be extremely sexist when someone
says they don't like someone's opinion "especially when the statement is made by a
man".

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What I got from the quote was rather different- I understood that Michelle doesn't apreciate men coming into a forum that is for the purpose of pro-feminist discussion, and telling women what forms of feminism do and don't "go too far."

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

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As for this thread, I think it's either the least on-topic thread in existance, or the title isn't worded correctly. Male rights? As was said, asides from a few health issues, look no further than the UN Universal declaration of human rights.

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Radicalists see patriarchy everywhere they look

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