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judym
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posted 11 September 2001 09:53 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
CNN has the latest coverage. Right now, it's only an (astonishing) picture.

CNN.


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posted 11 September 2001 09:54 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh my God, oh my God - a second plane - it's an attack. Oh my God.
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Trinitty
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posted 11 September 2001 10:12 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
When this stuff happens, I really don't like working in the Capital.

Oh my God. Who? Why?


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Trinitty
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posted 11 September 2001 10:15 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I pray that there were only the two pilots in the planes.... that they weren't passenger planes. What about the people working in the towers?
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posted 11 September 2001 10:21 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One plane seems to have been a 767 that was hi-jacked, and another plane was hi-jacked as well (apparently it looked like a DC3). My God.
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judym
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posted 11 September 2001 10:23 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Bush has announced it was a terrorist act. The crash involved a Boeing 767 American Airlines jet that left Boston airport. CNN reports that this plane was hijacked.

Two planes are involved in the incident.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: judym ]


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Trinitty
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posted 11 September 2001 10:28 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Were there passengers on it?

Palestinian Group has claimed responsibility...

Here comes the war....


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posted 11 September 2001 10:30 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Reports of a third plane en route...
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judym
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posted 11 September 2001 10:30 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Trinitty, where are you getting your information? I haven't heard of a group claiming responsibility.
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posted 11 September 2001 10:32 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
CNN now reports fire at the Pentagon. The Whitehouse is being evacuated.

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posted 11 September 2001 10:35 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Watching Newsworld and CNN.

Major Fire at Pentagon, White House is being evacuated....

Fire at the Washington Mall....

Here we go.


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posted 11 September 2001 10:37 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Heard the responsibilty claim from NW, relayed from a Middle Eastern TV station...
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posted 11 September 2001 10:38 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Are we at risk, or is Canada still too insignificant? I'm on the Hill right now, and am thinking of leaving.
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posted 11 September 2001 10:42 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
All U.S. flights have been cancelled.

Trinitty, try not to panic. This seems to be concentrated on major U.S. targets.


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posted 11 September 2001 10:44 AM      Profile for Markbo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I recall DrConway telling me what rubbish Tom clancy novels were. Plane crash into the whitehouse.

I don't know whether to watch the TV or look out at the Renaissance center in Detroit.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: Markbo ]


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Trinitty
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posted 11 September 2001 10:46 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks Judy... I't hard not to be a little scared.

Confirmed, there was a third plane, it crashed into the Pentagon.

The White House was evacuated after a credible threat, a white jet was seen circling above it. The treasury is being evacuated too.


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posted 11 September 2001 10:50 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Newsworld reports that the second of the twin World Trade towers has collapsed.
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posted 11 September 2001 10:50 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Second explosion in second tower.
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posted 11 September 2001 10:54 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Not to be tasteless, but would a NMD also take down hijacked airliners?
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posted 11 September 2001 10:56 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What's NMD?
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posted 11 September 2001 10:57 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Exactly what is so crazy about the U.S. missile plan, clockwork. You thought they would have learned from Oaklahoma and the last time the Trade Center was targeted.
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posted 11 September 2001 10:57 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've just watched this on the TV. It's truly awful. It's so horrible. It's literally making me sick.
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posted 11 September 2001 10:58 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Tower collapses
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I just keep thinking how many mothers and fathers were in that building and on that plane. It's just so horrible. And then people, including loved ones, are seeing it on TV, over and over again. It's utterly nauseating.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:05 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Some Hill Workers are leaving, I am too.

Take care all.


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Think of the orchestration. Think of what this says.

CityTV showed to second airliner hitting the building. Christ... explosion on Capitol Hill.. the pentagon...

And for what?


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this is too awful! I'm in the office, listening to the CBC - I can't get Newsworld or CNN on my computer - probably the whole rest of the world is trying to as well.

What possible good can this kind of attack do for any cause?


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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- A small plane has crashed into the Pentagon as well.

- At least one of the planes was a hijacked American Airlines liner, possibly an Airbus.

- All airplanes in US airspace has been ordered to land at the nearest airplane. ALL of the United States is now a no-fly zone.

- An obscure Palestinian group has claimed responsibility, but who knows if they're just trying to jump on the bandwagon. By the end of the day, dozens of groups will be claiming responsibility.

- According to one Today-In-History website I went to, today is the anniversary of the British mandate in Palestine.

- Think of the planning involved: The first plane crashes, they wait for camera crews to set up their live feeds, then they send a second plane in.

- Part of the Pentagon has collapsed.

Edited to say: That obscure Palestinian group has now denied their involvement.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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posted 11 September 2001 11:10 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Take care, Trinitty.

Newsworld does NOT confirm fire on Washington mall. CNN reporter NOT confirming explosion at Treasury building or fire on Washington mall.


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Holy shit. I can't get anything online as the web news sources are jammed.

I am stunned and shaken. This will destabilize the middle east if it is indeed a middle east planned terrorist attack. America will now take a direct role - too early to tell where this is going to lead.

An absolute tragedy, I can't begin to describe how I feel.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:15 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I am NOT hearing confirmation that ANY group has taken responsibility, from either CNN or Newsworld.
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Jesus. What was that movie? Fight Club? 50,000 people work at the WTcenter. 70,000 visitors a day.
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How the fuck do you get weapons on board two US domestic flights? How in hell is that possible in this post Lockerbie bomb world?

... from the inside?

I am just stunned.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:17 AM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Could this be domestic terrorism? Anyone?

Nobody is safe now, this changes everything.


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You never know who works in the airport. My guess is that this is internal.
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Washington and NYC flights are being diverted to Canadian airports.

CBC radio now reporting second tower has collapsed.

Please, folks, Oaklahoma showed that jumping to conclusions before information is in can be really counter productive.

The Internet might be affected by these disasters. Most news sites are going to be flooded with hits.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: judym ]


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Oh my god. I just tried to interrupt my computer class to tell them, and no one cares. The teacher has gone back to talking about floppy drives.
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- A car bomb has also exploded outside the State Department building (I didn't catch if it was Washington or NYC).

- Unconfirmed: One plane was American Airlines out of Boston (60 passengers and crew). One plane is American Airlines out of Washington (90 passengers and crew).

- THE SECOND TOWER JUST COLLAPSED!

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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posted 11 September 2001 11:19 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
OH my God.... the second tower has just collapsed. I can't believe this. I'm literally crying. It's so horrible.
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Judym... Rueters reported a Palestinian group is taking responsibility.
Building two down.

How do you get a pilot to fly into a building? Auto pilot?

An interviewer on CityTV gasps, "It's another Pearl Harbour".


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Audra, where are you? Are you in Halifax? If you are, skip class - we can talk about this. I'm at work.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:20 AM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Both down!!! Christ.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:20 AM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I got something on Realplayer:

Bush to address nation tonight at 7:00PM - will be addressing Congress tomorrow.

HOLY SHIT!


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The last time a President addressed a full session of congress was just after Pearl Harbor.

Sinking feeling inside.


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What has been attacked - trade and security. If anyone else wants a shot, they're going to do it now.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:22 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
CBC radio: all international flights to the U.S. are being diverted to Canada.
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Great - like we want them...who knows who's on those flights!
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They gotta land.

Shit, I am flying to Toronto next week.


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CNN confirms plane hit pentagon.
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Yup, that's what I have:

So there is a symbolic hit on capitalism and the military.

Anyone???


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Bush has promised to put ALL resources towards finding the perpetrators.
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Any idea what kind of plane hit the Pentagon?

Death toll?


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Totally, wagepeace. Anti-capitalist militants? What's your guess?
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posted 11 September 2001 11:27 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
The cell-phone network in NYC (and other areas of the US) are jammed.
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Smoke from the pentagon seems a lot less - probably a smaller plane.
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Take that back - side that faces Arlington Cemetery smokin' pretty bad...

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Car bomb? Anyone heard about this? In Washington...
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Could be anything from anti-globalization forces to a religious group that hates money.

My gut tells me that this is something involving a coalition of groups because of the sheer scale of planning that would be involved.

Also, if it is an inside job, someone had to bankroll this: someone had to pay people to get the terrorists onto the planes.


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Government feels it is at war with terrorist group - large plane crashed in Pennsylvania...

Chicken Little - the sky is falling...

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Fight Club - ends with the World Trade Center being blown up - now don't tell me life doesn't imitate art.

Halifax - sheerwater airbase...totally guarded.

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I don't think antiglobalization nuts would do this.

Oslama bin Laden? Money from every anti-American regime in the world? (or Mideast?)

Other plane crashes... Pittsburg


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Pittsburg? What state is that? Is that Penn?

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FUCK!! Another plane crash???

Oh God.

Folks, I have said it before though not on rabble: don't piss off the US.

FDR after Pearl Harbor said:

quote:
No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I suspect there will be a great deal of talk about the concept of "righteous might" in the days ahead.


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Well, "western pennsylvania".. I think I may have just said pittsburg...?
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They're talking about death toll - tens of thousands.
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Part of the Pentagon has collapsed. A large plane carshed in Pennsylvania. This from CBC radio. Also UNCONFIRMED reports of a car bomb in Washington D.C. Reports of another plane being hijacked.
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Anybody on Bay Street better go home...
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Judy, That's confirmed - the car bomb. White House evacuated.
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This is surreal, this is unreal.

I pray that the Nukes are safe. Sorry to bring that up folks, but apparently September 11, 2001 is "anything can happen day".


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Yeah. Scary.
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Bush may be heading to Halifax, wager. That or Florida.

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posted 11 September 2001 11:39 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey folks, it really helps to know where confirmations come from. If you can, please include sources.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:39 AM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
CBS, judy, on the last one.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:40 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Anything can happen day?
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Do not jump to conclusions!

Anti-capitalists and anti-globalists fight capitalism in favour of people. They DO NOT blow people up. The U.S. has enough enemies around the globe that could plan, fund and execute this sort of attack. There are also U.S. domestic groups, militias, that could plan and carry out this sort of violence.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:40 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
- A 767 crashed outside Pittsburgh just after 10 o'clock.

- unconfirmed: Another hijacked plane is en route to New York City.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:41 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks, Dawna and yes, I agree with grrr. Could we leave speculation out right now? The news as it unfolds is big enough.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:42 AM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Another plane is hijacked???
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posted 11 September 2001 11:42 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
I'm watching ABCnews.com.

- Arafat has condemned the actions, and has sent his condolences.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:43 AM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Arafat no longer has moral authority - this is bigger than him if indeed it comes from the middle east.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:43 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I really hope no one I know was hurt. Now I'm getting a weird sinking feeling too.
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Holy smokes! My buddy works for a brokerage house. He just told me that he was on the phone with a guy at the WTC at 9 oclock. He's pretty shaken up right now.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:46 AM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
grr- tell that to the people who were bombed at Litton.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:47 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh wagepeace and DM, I just read your ridiculous slurs against anti-globalization movements. Cut the crap, please.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:47 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Trade center buildings were designed to withstand a plane crash... there were other explosives involved.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:48 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Confirmation from CBC radio of fire on Washington mall.
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Peter Jennings just YELLED at a commentator for saying that there's no way the US could have anticipated the attack.

Jennings: "Oh COME ON! How can you say that?!"


I've never seen Jennings lose his cool like that.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:50 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
50,000 people work in the World Trade Centre on a normal day. I think I'm going to throw up.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:51 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Rasmus, it is terrible news.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:52 AM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Ok, US news websites are jammed. Anybody able to get anything from other sites worldwide? BBC? Isreali news sites? Other middle eastern sites?


ABCNEWS: Intelligence agencies have been monitoring increased activity by Osama Bin Laden in recent months, in preparation for "something", but they didn't imagine anything of this magnitude. Take this one with a grain of salt, naturally.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: Kneel before MediaBoy ]


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CBC radio reporting bulletin that U.S. fighter jets are trying to intercept a hijacked plane heading to the Pentagon.
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London Stock Exchange evacuated ... All London flights cancelled ...... Plane crash in Pennsylvania ... Suspected plane hijack ... More soon ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk

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Just to clarify:

I said that this COULD be ANYTHING FROM anti-globalization to religious nuts.

That is not to say that any one group is suspect. It is anything can happen day here folks and many people have died.

It could also have been pro-abortionists for all I know okay - sheesh!


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posted 11 September 2001 11:54 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Could be aliens, too
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posted 11 September 2001 11:56 AM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm so sick.
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In the US, anyone who doesn't have a green card is an alien.

I have just seen the first tv pictures of this, oh my god, oh my god...

... this is just terrible, tragic,


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Oil prices skyrocketing, indexes down 4, 7% reported by CityTV
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They are throwing around the number 35,000 dead in the WTC alone, not counting the Pentagon, Pittburg crash and car bomb. There's rumoured to be another hijacked plane in the air still...
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posted 11 September 2001 11:57 AM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, it's awful, I had to stop watching them replay the collapses, because I kept imagining the people inside and how their families feel watching.


All North American Flights - Cancelled. I heard from a coworker, whom I assume is listening to CBC.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:57 AM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Folks, if we are all in favor of peace in the world, we need to be on the look out for sabre-rattling.

Has anyone heard anything remotely resembling sabre-rattling today?

Shit, a MORON is the President, God help us all...


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posted 11 September 2001 11:58 AM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is why I strongly urge people not to speculate right now. News is hard to come by for those without TV and radio access.

We'll have a lot of time to talk about this after the fact, but for now, please try to avoid guesswork.


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posted 11 September 2001 11:58 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
More reports -- a 767 crashed near Pittsburgh, another hijacked plane heading for washington is now reported "no longer a threat", whatever that means. I think they may have shot it down. This is from Newsworld quoting two other agencies.
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posted 11 September 2001 11:59 AM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I am in the dark again folks, tv just conked out.

What is happening??

Is Bush flying to Canada?????


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posted 11 September 2001 11:59 AM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
wagepeace, exactly. he's been itching to press the big red button that says FIRE ever since he got into power... aside from the horrendous casualties already, i'm absolutely petrified of the ramifications.
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America is going to be on the war-path after this...

... a moron is President, oh God.


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posted 11 September 2001 12:01 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
USAF shot down an airliner by camp david... jeezus.

CityTV (toronto station) reporter at computer says.

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: clockwork ]


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posted 11 September 2001 12:01 PM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wagepeace, I have heard nothing about Bush coming to Canada. The vice president is in the situation room. This from CBC radio.

Please, again, when you refer to information folks, could you source it?


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posted 11 September 2001 12:02 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The ramifications are going to be incredible. Experts have been predicting that something terrible in the way of domestic terrorism would occur. I thought that nothing would be worse than Oklahoma City,

My heart aches.


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posted 11 September 2001 12:04 PM      Profile for Markbo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was booked to fly to New York friday on Spirit air to watch the Trinidad-Hopkins fight at the gardens. I'm freaked right out.
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posted 11 September 2001 12:05 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Once flights from Europe and Asia have landed in Canada, N. America will be a no-fly zone until they can figure out what next.

I'm with you there, Gayle. Who knows how they're going to react. That's also really scary.

The speculation on the networks is already that BIn Laden is behind this. Much as I hate to jump on that bandwagon, because there's a lot of automatic prejudice behind it, I can only imagine someone like that, or another state, could plan this type of thing.


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CBC main network reports that the other "threatening" plane has crashed just outside Camp David. It "no longer poses a danger."

They have lost a number of aircraft.


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posted 11 September 2001 12:05 PM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The FAA has apparently "lost track of several airplanes."

-peter mansbridge, CBC newsworld.


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posted 11 September 2001 12:06 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
CityTV newperson gives an example or "irony": yesterday was UN world peace day.
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Five aircraft in total, by my count. Contrary to earlier reports, they were not empty.
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CBC Newsworld keeps showing footage of the "first" plane crashing into the first tower to collapse. But at this time there is also smoke belching from the top of the second tower.

Some time later you can see a second plane crashing into the second tower, lower down from the smoking area. By and by that tower collapses too.

This suggests that something more than two planes were involved, although at this point that hardly seems to matter.

I'm stunned, shaking.

In Bush's statement he said the US would "hunt down and find" the "folks" responsible.


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posted 11 September 2001 12:10 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
He actually said "folks"???

God help us all!!!!


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posted 11 September 2001 12:10 PM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
He did, I watched him.
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Even Arafat looks shocked.

CityTV is presuming the plane was shot near camp david, it's not fact... yet


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posted 11 September 2001 12:12 PM      Profile for J. Hurtado   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
United Airlines plane crashes near Camp David.....as well a 747 crashed in Pittsburgh......state department in Washington had a car bomb detonated outside its doors.
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posted 11 September 2001 12:12 PM      Profile for judym   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
All flights in Canada and the U.S. are cancelled, except for those international flights diverted earlier.
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My heart says that this is going to lead to something cataclysmic.

Has the UN been targetted? What is the current state of International alliances? Does Bush seek world condemnation, and who should he condemn?

New President, new administration.

The irony is that Bush is essentially an isolationist.


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What a lousy thing to see on tv waking up this morning! I have been nearly hypnotized by the utter devastation in NY and DC. I share the "sinking feeling" expressed by others. Terrorist attacks against the US at the beginning of a recession with a Republican President in the (evacuated) White house. Wow. Am I being paranoid, expecting a HUGE US response? A minor point, heard here in Windsor on the local news, the tunnel to the US as well as the Ambassador bridge are CLOSED. I wonder how many other border crossings are closed as well.

I hate war and violence, but after seeing what I have on TV this AM, I am feeling very conflicted. On the other hand, how many other families need suffer. I don't know what I should think anymore. My fingers are currently crossed for friends of mine that work in Manhatten.


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CityTV reports they have footage of celebrations from palestians.

Gord Martineau is not particularly anxious to show it.


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posted 11 September 2001 12:15 PM      Profile for Kearsley Schieder-Wethy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
An approx. 60' section of the Pentagon just collapsed, according to CNN.
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Righteous might, Catalyst.

Events like this tend to have a unifying effect on a nation.

America is a giant and I believe this tragedy will invoke the "righteous might" of the US.

I pray that it isn't misguided.


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Plane crash in San Fran.
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That pittsburg and camp david plane may be one in the same as Camp David Maryland is right below Pennsylvania
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posted 11 September 2001 12:18 PM      Profile for Gayle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
clockwork!! source please!
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I am shaking. I am not conflicted on this because this is a sneaky, evil and deliberate attack on the US.

Our generation has been shielded a great deal from earth shattering, cataclysmic events. This is painful because of the indiscriminate death toll.

Homeless people have died alongside the wealthy. Incredible symbolism in this tradedy.


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CNN said a united plane was hijacked from San fran and crashed, not clear where
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Yeah, I know that phrase. I was raised on military bases at the height of the Cold War. You should've heard the crap they spoon fed us at the DND schools. Between that and the "Nuclear War Drills" I was forced to participate in in the 80's, I have an all too clear perception of the hawkish mind set. But I wonder if I will ever feel safe again.
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Sorry... I'm just watching CityTV...

They don't always give their sources.


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Where did it crash???
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well then, citytv was your source sorry, i just needed to know... i know people in SF
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It is only 12:29 Atlantic Time.

There are 11 and a half hours left in the day. What else is going to happen.

Real player says that air traffic is being grounded in Europe.

Could this go Global??


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They were showing pictures of Ben Laden, on City I think.
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All Israeli embassies around the world have been evacuated...cbs
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Flight from Newark to San Francisco (United Airlines) is the one that went down near Camp David (CBS).
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CBC Radio reports that the plane which crashed in western Pennsylvania was a Boeing 747, hijacked shortly after takeoff.

They also quote Arafat, talking to reporters in Gaza, saying this is "unbelievable, unbelievable, unbelievable." The Palestinian Authority, he said, was utterly taken by surprise on this and utterly repudiates it, and he sends his condolences to the people of the US.

But he hasn't much support among his people these days, and I doubt he'll get much of a hearing.


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Hey, folks, this thread is getting hard to follow, because of length. I've started a new one here
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posted 11 September 2001 12:27 PM      Profile for wagepeace     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Are we jumping to conclusions as to a middle eastern source to this??

It had to have been bank-rolled somehow. There has to be a money trail.

This is bigger than Kennedy.


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