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RosaL
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posted 19 February 2008 11:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by flight from kamakura: sounds good, but why so damned old?
I think, for many people, it can take a long time to get to the point where they can run for office. There can be lots of reasons for that: all sorts of obstacles. (I don't see any need to list them. We all know what they are.) It seems to me too bad that having fought through to a certain point in her life where she is ready and able to do this, she should be told, "But you're so old". [ 19 February 2008: Message edited by: RosaL ]
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flight from kamakura
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posted 19 February 2008 11:50 AM
well, nothing against her personally, it just seems like we've got a really old caucus!and it's a serious questions: why do progressives have to be old to be taken seriously? i mean, you can be elected as a conservative at 28, but a 28 year old progressive would be laughed off the stage. and i'm aware that there are 2 exceptions, i'm just making a point in general [ 19 February 2008: Message edited by: flight from kamakura ]
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RosaL
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posted 19 February 2008 12:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by flight from kamakura: why do progressives have to be old to be taken seriously? i mean, you can be elected as a conservative at 28, but a 28 year old progressive would be laughed off the stage.[ 19 February 2008: Message edited by: flight from kamakura ]
They shouldn't have to be old. I think it's often a matter of people working their way up through the political system. It takes time! (My point is that it's not a prejudice against the young. But I think this is a bad system for many reasons, one of which is that it works against young people, newcomers, and people who lack connections.) But they shouldn't have to be young either.
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remind
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posted 19 February 2008 12:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by flight from kamakura: well, nothing against her personally, it just seems like we've got a really old caucus!
She looks to be about 50-55. quote: and it's a serious questions: why do progressives have to be old to be taken seriously?
They don't. However, the left has ideology driven radicals that perhaps need to have some life experience to temper actions. quote: i mean, you can be elected as a conservative at 28, but a 28 year old progressive would be laughed off the stage.
That would depend no? quote: and i'm aware that there are 2 exceptions, i'm just making a point in general
Ageism, is what you are partaking in, and I would bet out stats on age representation within the NDP are about the same as other parties.
From: "watching the tide roll away" | Registered: Jun 2004
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remind
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posted 19 February 2008 02:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Adam T: Nathan Cullen is one of the most respected members of the NDP caucus and he's under 35. I think Peter Julian was under 40 when he was first elected as well.
The breakdown is as follows: 1 in their 30's 4 in their 40's 17 in their 50's; with 10 of those being 55 and under, several of whom started in their 40's as MP's, like; Pat M, Yvon G. and Charlie A. While many of those in their later 50's also started as MP's in their 40's like Bill B., Alexa M., and Judy WL. 8 in their 60's mean age 54.5%
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David Young
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posted 19 February 2008 03:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by remind:
The breakdown is as follows: 1 in their 30's 4 in their 40's 17 in their 50's; with 10 of those being 55 and under, several of whom started in their 40's as MP's, like; Pat M, Yvon G. and Charlie A. While many of those in their later 50's also started as MP's in their 40's like Bill B., Alexa M., and Judy WL. 8 in their 60's mean age 54.5%
Bill B.? I thought Bill Blaikie was 29 when he first won the seat of WINNIPEG-BIRDS HILL in 1979!
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ghoris
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posted 19 February 2008 04:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Stockholm: The guy has been in the leg. for 21 years without ever being appointed to any post in the Manitoba government. Sounds like an NDP version of Tony Ruprecht!!
Correct.
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ghoris
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posted 19 February 2008 04:13 PM
Speaking of the need for more 'youth' in the federal caucus, one of the other leading candidates for the Elmwood-Transcona nomination is Kevin Rebeck, President of CUPE Manitoba, who is quite youthful (I believe in his 30s). Here's the bio from his website: quote: As President of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, which represents over 24,000 public service workers in Manitoba, Kevin has been an advocate for strong communities, safe workplaces and fairness.He's also served in a number of other elected positions within the Labour movement over the past 15 years including Vice President for the Manitoba Federation of Labour, General Vice President for CUPE National and 2nd Vice President for the Winnipeg Labour Council. Kevin has been active in our community through a variety of organizations such as the United Way, Local Investment Towards Employment, the Premier's Economic Advisory Council - Healthcare Task Force, the Manitoba Community Services Council, The Optimists, and Rossbrook House.
Link.
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Malcolm
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posted 19 February 2008 09:18 PM
For a time, the youngest MP in Canadian history to that point was Lorne Nystrom. Ironically, Lorne did not actually vote in the election (he was enumerated elsewhere and wasn't able to get there to vote during the writ) and thus was an MP for four years before ever voting in a federal election.One of the marks against Roy Romanow in Saskatchewan was that he would not appoint young MLAs to Cabinet. RJR, who was Deputy Premier and Attorney General at 29 appointed precisely two ministers under the age of 40 - both of whom were 39-1/2 at the time of appointment. Tommy Douglas (39 years 8 months when he became premier) would likely not have been able to get into a Roy Romanow cabinet. Roy Romanow (DP&AG at 29) certainly wouldn't have. The bizarre agism of the Saskatchewan NDP continued unabated. At one point, despite several eminently qualified applicants of varying ages, the party chose to appoint 60 something Ed Tchorzewski as acting provincial secretary. Frankly, an entire generation of NDP activists were told to rot by a party that wasn't interested in renewal. Columnist Murray Mandryck refers to them as the a-Banda-ned generation, referring to Scott Banda, former leadership contender who worked for several years to succeed RJR in Saskatoon Riversdale only to be shunted aside to make way for Lorne Calvert.
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KenS
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posted 26 August 2008 02:42 AM
In my experience, if anything younger people have some measure of prejudice in their favour when they seek and NDP nomination.And 'going up through the ranks' or putting in your time as an activist in the NDP is not required to get a nomination- nor is someone else having that going to get them the nomination. With the caveat that I hear ONDP riding associations tend to be more cliquish and old-guardish. But I just hear that, don't know it to be true. At any rate- I think the main obstacle by far in getting more younger candidates is simply being able to attract them into wanting to go for it. My gut feeling is that is actually getting better. But that may be just an impression from where I sit. And even if it is true, not getting better quickly enough. And the membership is still pretty heavy on the older [than average] side.
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