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"How can (Palestinian President) Mahmoud Abbas ... or (his aide) Mohammed Dahlan be our brothers when they have grown fat on the Jews' bribes and the Americans' gifts," the speaker said.

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The walls are closing in,democracy will prevail.

You have nothing to offer but negatives,and a delusional promise of grander in the here after.

Like Saddam we will eventually find you crawling out of some hole in the ground lol.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/12/31/worldupdates/2006-12-31T163306Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-281881-1&sec=Worldupdates

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Like Saddam we will eventually find you crawling out of some hole in the ground lol.

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When you finish gazing with satisfaction at photos of Saddam Hussein being fitted with a noose, maybe you'll find a moment to read the rest of your inflammatory article and notice these confirmed quotes - although they may not suit your hysteria:

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Palestinian officials rejected his latest comments as interference.

"Zawahri's comments are a gift to the Zionist occupation ... We call on Zawahri not to intervene in Palestinian internal affairs," said Abu Qusai, spokesman of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, part of Abbas's Fatah movement.

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said: "We think differently from the way Zawahri does. We adopt the moderate Islamic attitude. We respect the official regime and we believe in dialogue as the only way to settle differences."

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You have nothing to offer but negatives,and a delusional promise of grander in the here after

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Like I said before the walls are closing in.

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I disagree with your new link (because of sidescroll).

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"How can (Palestinian President) Mahmoud Abbas ... or (his aide) Mohammed Dahlan be our brothers when they have grown fat on the Jews' bribes and the Americans' gifts," the speaker said. ]/QUOTE]

I beg to differ, unionist. Other than the stupidity of involving Jews (instead of Zionists), I see nothing in this quote that can be qualified as 'barbaric' views.

What is barbaric is The US and Israel's fanning of the animosity and killings amongst Palestinians. (I also found Barbaric the corruption that Mahmud Abbas' Fatah inherited from the old Fatah regime).

Here is a news article about shipment of arms to Fatah. Is that for Fatah to tackle Israeli occupation ? No. It is for the Palestinian Fatah faction to kill Palestinian Hamas faction.

[QUOTE]After coordination with Israel and the United States, Egypt has sent a shipment of weapons and ammunition into the Gaza Strip to forces loyal to the Palestinian Authority president, Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah, Israeli officials said Thursday.

..The arms shipment is part of a broader U.S. and Israeli effort, in coordination with moderate Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, to strengthen Abbas, weaken Hamas and show some movement on the stalled issue of Israeli-Palestinian peace.

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"moderate Arab countries". Maybe USA colonies would be a more accurate qualifyier. Do these countries have any choice in the period where the US sent a message through the hanging of Saddam Hussein to anyone who does not toe the line ?

On a calmer note, what business does Zawahri have interfering in Palestinian politics? Because he's a Muslim (or claims to be)? I take his unsolicited opinions as being of the same relevance as those of the Pope or some New York rabbi or the B'nai B'rith. Essentially, they should all keep their interfering fanatical hands off the struggle of the Palestinian people, or at least not yelp too loudly when their fingers get cut off.

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Now, my main point was that this barbarian Zawahri's views are irrelevant to Palestinian politics. Do you have any information to the contrary? -unionist

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I do agree that his views are irrelevant to Palestinian politics. I also agree that he -like all religious fanatics- is a bigoted piece of trash. But I also see Egypt, the US and Israel doing the same. While the US and Israel are in no stretch of the imagination disinterested, objective parties, Egypt is far from the independent one (as it is basically doing the USA bid to provide cover of an "Arab" country mediating in Palestinian affairs.

I am pretty sure -and I fear- that Al-Zawahiri's utterings would resonate with a significant part of the Palestinian population. The same acceptance of US puppet Egypt's interference could be balanced by acceptance of Al-Zawahiri's rhetoric.

As for creeps like Zawahri having influence among Palestinians, I won't believe it unless you show me proof. No matter how far Palestinians have been oppressed by Israel and misled and their struggles betrayed by their own leaders over 1/2 century, I can't believe they would ever be stupid enough to follow maniacs like these. Same goes for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, by the way.

If assholes like Osama Bin Laden and Zawahri didn't exist, the U.S. would have to create them to give itself a pretext for intervention in the region.

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I am pretty sure -and I fear- that Al-Zawahiri's utterings would resonate with a significant part of the Palestinian population.

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I agree.

This is pure Propaganda for a cause that is in desparation and will kill anyone to further it's cause,including it's own supporters.

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Originally posted by unionist:

As for creeps like Zawahri having influence among Palestinians, I won't believe it unless you show me proof. No matter how far Palestinians have been oppressed by Israel and misled and their struggles betrayed by their own leaders over 1/2 century, I can't believe they would ever be stupid enough to follow maniacs like these. Same goes for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, by the way.

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Part of the thing with these idealogues tyoes like the Al Q people, is that they are impossible to work with. So, in the end people like that get driven out of working organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO, which all have to show some kind of concrete results. Sooner or later people who are are reasonable enough to get things done have to take charge, or the organization dissipates.