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jeff house
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posted 10 July 2008 11:22 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The gulf between Senator Obama and Senator McCain on many critical issues could not be wider. Senator Obama joined Senator Clinton as an original cosponsor of the "Prevention First Act." This landmark bill is the most comprehensive family planning bill to date, and its passage would be a huge victory for women. Senator McCain is a stalwart opponent of a woman's right to choose and he has consistently opposed family planning legislation and efforts to make contraception more widely available -- including allowing health insurance to cover birth control. Senator McCain is also an active opponent of sound, science-based, comprehensive sex education, advocating instead "abstinence-only" programs that even Bush administration studies have shown to be ineffective.

Reproductive health is not the only dividing line between the two presidential contenders. Senator McCain voted against legislation to provide health insurance to low-income children, even as six million of those children and their families went without it. Senator McCain was one of only two senators who didn't show up to vote on a bill to ensure that gender-based pay discrimination becomes a thing of the past. Though it was in the midst of the Democratic Primary, Senator Obama was there to vote yes. McCain opposed increasing the minimum wage, he opposed extending health insurance to low-income children, and he wants to privatize Social Security and make the Bush millionaire tax cuts permanent. Senator McCain also wants to continue the war in Iraq for generations.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-diana-degette/support-obama-for-women_b_111888.html


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Michelle
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posted 10 July 2008 11:35 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, his views on sex education, at least, are progressive, which is really great.

Remember Mitt Romney's smear?

Expect McCain to smear Obama with accusations that he wants to teach kindergarteners all about S&M or something.


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Prophit
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posted 10 July 2008 12:19 PM      Profile for Prophit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a social worker who deals regularly with sexual abuse issues and the need for female empowerment, I welcome any politician with progressive views in this area.
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Stargazer
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posted 10 July 2008 01:53 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know Jeff, I don't want McCain to be president, but as a female, I sure as hell would have no faith in Obama as a voice for women. Who knows who else he will sell out to get elected.

*** This NOT an endorsement for a McCain in the white house***

God, it's tiring here sometimes when we are not able to criticize Obama without somebody yelling "Oh, so you'd prefer McCain"

Very very tiring.


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laine lowe
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posted 10 July 2008 07:47 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
You know Jeff, I don't want McCain to be president, but as a female, I sure as hell would have no faith in Obama as a voice for women. Who knows who else he will sell out to get elected.

*** This NOT an endorsement for a McCain in the white house***

God, it's tiring here sometimes when we are not able to criticize Obama without somebody yelling "Oh, so you'd prefer McCain"

Very very tiring.


I agree with you completely Stargazer.


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Michelle
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posted 10 July 2008 07:56 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally, I find it helpful to have a nice man tell me which politician I should support. It's all so confusing otherwise!

(tiptoeing out of the room...)

[ 10 July 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Stockholm
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posted 10 July 2008 08:37 PM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Who knows who else he will sell out to get elected.

GOOD!!! I want him to say absolutely ANYTHING he needs to say to get elected. I hope he is willing to betray anything and everything to get elected. This is a battle between good and evil and McCain has to be defeated at all cost. I WANT Obama to lie as much as possible and pretend to be a centrist in order to get elected. I don't care what he says in the campaign - I will judge him based on what he actually does as President.

As Kim Campbell quite rightly said - an election campaign is no time to discuss serious issues.


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M. Spector
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posted 17 July 2008 12:32 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obama shifts emphasis on reproductive rights
July 9, 2008
by Sarah Posner

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Barack Obama set off a firestorm last week with his comment to Relevant magazine editor Cameron Strang about abortion:

"I have repeatedly said that I think it's entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don't think that 'mental distress' qualifies as the health of the mother."

Setting aside Obama's misread of Supreme Court precedent and subsequent suggestion that women choose abortions because they are feeling "blue," his progressive base was surprised to hear that he had "repeatedly said" that states can restrict late-term procedures.

A review of news coverage of his position on late-term abortion shows that Obama only began to emphasize his support of a ban this year and did so in religious media outlets and settings and on Fox News.

Obama, a longtime supporter of reproductive rights, has long been a critic of the 2007 Supreme Court decision in Gonzales v. Carhart upholding the federal ban on the late-term intact dilation and extraction procedure (which did not include an exception for the mother’s health)….

Yet by January of this year, battling back against the Jeremiah Wright tapes and the Muslim rumors, Obama took to religious news outlets to prove his Christian credentials -- he shifted emphasis and began talking about his support for late-term abortion bans….

By June, in his meeting with 30 Christian leaders, Obama was asserting that the health exception would be limited to "physical" rather than "mental" health…

I spoke this week with the Rev. Tony Campolo, a spiritual adviser to Bill and Hillary Clinton, and a member of the Democratic Party Platform Committee. Campolo, an advocate for an "abortion reduction" plank in the party's platform, said he was speaking for himself and not the party or the committee (which has not met yet)….

…offering contraceptives through Medicaid to teenagers would be "extremely difficult" to sell and "would open up the Democratic Party to frontal attack by conservative Republicans," he said. And Campolo favors federally funded abstinence programs, not just to prevent pregnancy but because "everyone has to understand that sexual acts are not just feel-good experiences," but ones with a "spiritual dimension. ... We have to explain why we're saying no, in terms that transcend religiosity."

Campolo's discussion of abstinence and the spiritual side of sex didn't seem that far off from what Obama told Relevant last week:

"If we are continuing what has been a promising trend in the reduction of teen pregnancies, through education and abstinence education giving good information to teenagers. That is important -- emphasizing the sacredness of sexual behavior to our children. I think that's something that we can encourage. I think encouraging adoptions in a significant way. I think the proper role of government. So there are ways that we can make a difference, and those are going to be things I focus on when I am president."

Obama got kudos from Planned Parenthood in 2007 for co-sponsoring Prevention First, a bill that would fund comprehensive sex education. But when Obama starts talking instead about abstinence to Christian magazines, he's going down a dangerous path. If he wins in November, and if evangelicals can claim a role in his victory, what will they expect from his administration, given that he talks about "the proper role of government" in the same breath with "the sacredness of sexual behavior" and abstinence?



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Sven
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posted 17 July 2008 01:09 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
Obama shifts emphasis on reproductive rights

God, what will it be next? Does this guy stand for anything that is immutable?


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unionist
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posted 17 July 2008 01:13 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

God, what will it be next? Does this guy stand for anything that is immutable?


Well, so far he has never wavered on his support for attacking Pakistan, sending more troops to Afghanistan, and capital punishment. So maybe there's hope for some consistency yet.


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Aristotleded24
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posted 17 July 2008 06:45 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
GOOD!!! I want him to say absolutely ANYTHING he needs to say to get elected. I hope he is willing to betray anything and everything to get elected. This is a battle between good and evil and McCain has to be defeated at all cost. I WANT Obama to lie as much as possible and pretend to be a centrist in order to get elected. I don't care what he says in the campaign - I will judge him based on what he actually does as President.

Clinton did the exact same thing and the American left crossed its fingers then as you are now. How did that turn out?


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remind
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posted 17 July 2008 06:58 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently, more men care about why women, should, or should not, vote for Obama than women do!

And it is so refreshing to see that men have gotten beyond belieiving they have a right to tell, oops inform, women how to vote in the 21st century.


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martin dufresne
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posted 17 July 2008 07:56 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But remind, you know men and our brittle egos, it's important for us "progressives" to have someone to blame if Obama fails to either get elected or to radically change US policy... Women are the "fall guys" we'll be able to point a finger at for not having supported him enough, or early enough... (Hey, God forbid we should acknowledge the gender gap between Rep and Dem voters!)

[ 17 July 2008: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]


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