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ElizaQ
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posted 13 February 2008 09:35 PM      Profile for ElizaQ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Came across this in my internet travels though the US election.

Mythbusting Canadian Healthcare: Part 1

Part 2: Debunking the Free Marketeers


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a lonely worker
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posted 13 February 2008 10:41 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great info. Glad to see a debate happening south of the border.

I read the comments and a Dr. Merrilee Fullerton is all over it spewing CMA inspired crap about the "evils" of our system.

Looking up her blog, its clear to see we're dealing with an agenda:

anti-medicare shill's blog

My three favourite final defenses they offer when all their false facts are blown away:

1 - Too many unions (of course the CMA and Dr. Profit are never mentioned).

2 - Stats which they twist every way while ignoring the one that counts: we LIVE longer than they do. The best fact spin is a neo-con who shows a survey showing a majority of Canadians want changes made but then he includes all the questions including one where only 30% want private care provided at all.

3 - Finally the ultimate defence; we're a small population. This would mean our costs would actually be higher due to economy of scale if we switched to a private system.

The CMA and AMA fought tooth and nail against medicare. It appears they're now doing the same in the US.


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Malcolm
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posted 14 February 2008 05:31 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Liberal Party fought tooth and nail against Medicare as well.

The Liberals pretend to support Medicare now, but who was it slashed health care transfers farther than Brian Mulroney ever dared and farther than Stephen Harper would have dreamed.

Right, it was those bullshit pretendy progressives Jean Chretien and Paul Martin.


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a lonely worker
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posted 14 February 2008 07:58 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right Malcolm. one just has to see how many programmes the "progressive" Liberals introduce when they don't have the NDP either breathing down their neck or forcing their hand.

The US is the perfect example to see "liberal" progress.

Imagine what we could accomplish again if we had a return of a truly socialist movement in this country like we did in the 30's and 40's?


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unionist
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posted 14 February 2008 08:19 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by a lonely worker:
Imagine what we could accomplish again if we had a return of a truly socialist movement in this country like we did in the 30's and 40's?

The Depression and WWII?


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Malcolm
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posted 15 February 2008 05:58 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not convinced we need a more ideologically extreme NDP. What we need is for people on the left to get it through their thick skulls that they do not advance progressive causes by voting for a right wing party.

Unfortunately, we are afflicted with the morons of the Don't Think Coalition - Basil Hargrove, Maude Barlow, Elizabeth May and the rest of the fools who happily choke the life out of progressive politics by selling their souls to the corrupt right wingers like Chretien, Martin, Dion et al.

There is a word to describe leftists who ascribe to the "vote Liberal to stop the Tory" bullshit.

The word is "idiot."


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a lonely worker
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posted 15 February 2008 07:18 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unionist, the first half of the 20th century with the 30's and 40's in particular, had several working class movements that rose and laid the groundwork for many of the social programmes we take for granted today. Yes, the Depression and World War 2 were key aspects of this period's history, but so was the election of Douglas' government, the Ford strike, the Worker's Unity League and several other movements for change. For the first time in our history, the politicians were forced to start investing in the priorities of the people instead of enriching the few. When the cold war was manufactured, people stopped demanding real change due to the elite's red baiting. The left is still cowered by this and its time we moved forward again.

Malcolm, not only is a "more ideological" NDP needed but so are other strong movements on the left to keep them honest. Yes the "idiots" are holding us back, but an NDP with no compass is just as useless for advancing the interests of the working class. For examples see Gary Doer and Lorne Calvert.


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Mercy
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posted 15 February 2008 09:18 PM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I find it mind-boggling that the number one myth they have to "debunk" is "socialized medicine". As though being "socialized" in-and-of-itself is a terrible thing. The fact that they point to a serious flaw in our system as a VIRTUE ("In Canada... doctors run their own private practices") is nuts. If the CCF in Saskatchewan had been able to get doctors on salary we'd have a much stronger system today - but, if you're an American that's a bad thing. The discourse in the US is cuckoo.
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