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Polunatic
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posted 14 November 2003 10:31 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OFL Convention Website
The convention website is no more than a shell. Downloads (policy docs?) are not available yet. But the Convention is still more than week away. What should I expect?

You know things are dull when former President Gord Wilson has to get his message out in the Toronto Star.
Wilson's letter to the editor

quote:
In Canada, we all suffer a loss of our rights in the violation of the rights of another Canadian. As a unionist, I fully understand how vulnerable workers' organizations become when fundamental human rights violations begin to erode our security. Canada's largest provincial labour federation meets in Toronto this month. I trust its members will make clear their willingness to challenge those who believe they have license to trample the rights of any and all Canadians. The action of Canadian authorities is outrageous and undermines the security of all of us.

For all my criticisms of Wilson while he was President, I have to say I miss his leadership compared to the sorry state of affairs at the Fed.

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robbie_dee
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posted 14 November 2003 10:46 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do you know if Samuelson will be running again?
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Polunatic
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posted 14 November 2003 10:53 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These are jobs for life and he's too young to retire. I'd like to know if anyone is running against him although I'm sure I would have heard that already if anyone was.

His challenger in 1999 (Willie somebody) took about a third of the votes basically running off the floor. As well, the CAW is not in the OFL to my knowledge so it should be a real love fest.


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robbie_dee
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posted 15 November 2003 12:29 AM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In '96 a lot of people were pushing David Christopherson to run for the position. He declined in order to stay on with the ONDP, and because his long term plan was always to run for Mayor of Hamilton. So the race came down to Forder and Samuelson and Samuelson, the perceived "moderate," won.

Well, I hear Christopherson is looking for a job these days...


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Polunatic
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posted 15 November 2003 03:45 AM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would probably be an improvement but I can't see it happening this year. They come from the same "Steel" faction don't they?
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posted 15 November 2003 02:38 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't OFL affiliation tied to CLC affiliation? If so, I think that was all smoothed over, and the CAW is again affiliated with both.
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Polunatic
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posted 15 November 2003 02:46 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The CAW is definitely re-affiliated to the CLC but rejoining the OFL is not automatic. Last I heard, they haven't rejoined the Fed.
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robbie_dee
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posted 15 November 2003 03:11 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Christopherson is actually a former CAW local pres, although I understand that his relationship with Hargrove is icy. I suspect he's closer to the Steelworkers because of shared ideology, as well as the Hamilton connection.

It would definitely make for a more lively convention if Chrisopherson took a run at Samuelson. I think David would make a pretty good Fed pres, too. I was just joking around by suggesting it, though, I agree the odds of it happening are highly doubtful.

Sid Ryan, on the other hand, is also hanging around and presumably unemployed. He could make things really interesting. But if the CAW won't be at convention, I don't think there is enough of a base for any opposition candidate to draw upon. So the convention will probably be another snoozefest, I am sorry to say.

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posted 15 November 2003 04:28 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There were rumours of hush-hush talks to bring the CAW back into the OFL, but to my knowledge nothing has come of them. Just as well, if I remember correctly, when the CAW left they were paying $750,000 in annual dues -- for what?

Has anyone heard any rumours that there will be a serious challenge to Samuelson? I haven't, and without the CAW in the picture, or a change of heart from Steel, I doubt it will happen. These things are like bridge. All the playing is in the run-up, the convention should unfold fairly automatically.


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Polunatic
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posted 15 November 2003 06:14 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
For what?
That's what we keep asking too.

They HAVE issued 10 press releases since Labour Day (although nothing since October 28).

It would be fun to start a rumour that someone is running against Wayne but not worth the effort of having one.

[aside]The 2002 CLC Convention didn't even have candidate speeches on the floor for the top elected officials. It was all done in caucuses]. [/aside]

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Polunatic
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posted 24 November 2003 08:59 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So are any Babblers at the OFL this week? I'm not or I'd probably be drinking beer at this time instead of Babbling.

They've posted the main policy document
here.. I haven't read it yet but a quick scan shows it's got a lot of good stuff that we'd all like to see and a detailed list of McGuinty's promises.

I wonder if there'll be much "debate" on how to actually do something about it.


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robbie_dee
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posted 24 November 2003 10:29 PM      Profile for robbie_dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I won't be there but one of my thesis advisors will be speaking on Tuesday.

quote:
Elaine Bernard, Ph. D., Executive Director
Labor and Worklife Program at Harvard Law
School and Harvard Trade Union Program
Tuesday, November 25
2:00 p.m.

Agenda

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Polunatic
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posted 25 November 2003 11:46 AM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No convention news on the OFL site or on Google. Here's the results of my Google News search for OFL:
Google news search for "OFL"
To be fair, I also googled the news section for "Ontario Federation of Labour" and got this:
News search for "Ontario Federation of Labour"
My point? The OFL has made itself irrelevant to working people. Most workers have probably never even heard of them.

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rasmus
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posted 25 November 2003 03:06 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But they do have a $750,000 photocopier.
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Mycroft_
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posted 25 November 2003 03:30 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
But they do have a $750,000 photocopier.

Which I have never broken. Honest!


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'lance
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posted 25 November 2003 03:37 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
$750,000 copier?

If this is an inside joke, any of you insiders care to spill it to us outsiders?


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Mycroft_
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posted 25 November 2003 03:38 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Come to think of it, it was the CLC's copier that I've never broken. The OFL's copier is operated by a professional print worker.
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rasmus
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posted 25 November 2003 07:54 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'lance, I believe this should answer your question:

http://media.xerox.ca/news/default.asp?aID=54

This might be a good idea, if the OFL actually DID anything.


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'lance
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posted 25 November 2003 08:51 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well it's nice to know it's a bit more than just a copier...

quote:
In addition, the 155 page-per-minute (ppm) DocuTech 6155 has been certified for use as the Book Factoryˇ¦s print engine, offering a lower-cost alternative to the DocuTech 6180 Book Factory and its 180 ppm engine. The Book Factory has about 100 installations worldwide, mostly with manufacturers, for internal and external documentation; book publishers; and government and scientific institutions, for reports.

... on the other hand, as you say -- if it's being used just as a copier...


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radiorahim
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posted 25 November 2003 11:26 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah these photocopiers that slice and dice and cook your breakfast for you are incredibly expensive...often they're leased.

Was up late one night this week suffering insomnia and had a look at an old newscast from 20 years ago (Cable Pulse 24 runs re-runs of 1980's City-TV newscasts late at night). One of the news items was Cliff Pilkey blasting the Bill Davis government at the opening of the OFL convention.

Haven't heard a peep from the media about this convention. Ahhh...the "good old days".


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Polunatic
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posted 26 November 2003 01:46 PM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You lost me R-R. Did the printer come up in an OFL search?

Expectations of the OFL are like a microcosm of our expectations of politics in general. Things have become so bad we're fighting or hoping for a return of the status quo we used to say was not good enough. I seriously miss Gord Wilson. Even if we didn't see eye to eye on the big picture, he was one tough (approachable) cookie who could sometimes make you feel good about being in the labour movement when he let loose.


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Polunatic
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posted 28 November 2003 10:11 AM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm still waiting for my Google news alert to alert me of any news from the OFL. Maybe they kept the media out for security purposes because they're planning something big? Yeah, that's it.
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posted 28 November 2003 10:14 AM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The executive was reelected by acclamtion.
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Polunatic
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posted 28 November 2003 10:34 AM      Profile for Polunatic   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The executive was reelected by acclamtion.

Now that's big news!!

It's sounding more and more like a plot by the capitalist-owned media to keep labour out of the news to ensure that the huge advances made at the Fed Convention aren't made known to working people.


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