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Sven
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posted 02 July 2008 10:43 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An account of his experience...and his views of the technique.
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Sven
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posted 02 July 2008 11:07 PM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, and for those of you who are sadistic enough to want to see Hitchens waterboarded, here's the video....
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TCD
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posted 03 July 2008 04:54 AM      Profile for TCD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's sad but, before I clicked the link, I really wasn't sure whether Hitchens would be pro or anti-waterboarding.
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posted 03 July 2008 05:26 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
It's sad but, before I clicked the link, I really wasn't sure whether Hitchens would be pro or anti-waterboarding.

I wonder why? Could it be because he previously labelled waterboarding 'extreme interrogation' as opposed to 'outright torture'?

quote:
At a time when Congress and the courts are conducting important hearings on the critical question of extreme interrogation, and at a time when accusations of outright torture are helping to besmirch and discredit the United States all around the world, a senior official of the CIA takes the unilateral decision to destroy the crucial evidence.

(Via The Vanity Press)

Like I've written elsewhere, waterboarding might not be "simulated drowning" but it is simulated torture. Hitchens can pretend to be tortured because there's no danger of it actually happening to him. This is lost on his outrageous presumption and gall that ignores the countless testimonies that have already proved that waterboarding is torture. The problem is, most of them had brown skin (except for the unfortunate group of U.S. Generals in Vietnam who declared it illegal).

As for his blighting self-righteousness, from Hitchens' article:

quote:
I apply the Abraham Lincoln test for moral casuistry: “If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.” Well, then, if waterboarding does not constitute torture, then there is no such thing as torture.

Aside from the inauspicious self-comparison to Lincoln, and the grotesque tautology that any sane and ethical person should already have known without the sombre, grave and repentant words of Christopher Hitchens, I'll only point out that Lincoln didn't need to be chained, whipped and raped before he knew that slavery was a sinister, evil thing.

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Frustrated Mess
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posted 03 July 2008 05:42 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Aside from the inauspicious self-comparison to Lincoln, and the grotesque tautology that any sane and ethical person should already have known without the sombre, grave and repentant words of Christopher Hitchens, I'll only point out that Lincoln didn't need to be chained, whipped and raped before he knew that slavery was a sinister, evil thing.

Very well said.

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munroe
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posted 03 July 2008 06:46 AM      Profile for munroe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't read the links. Did it work? Did Hitchens confess and name his co-conspirators?
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 03 July 2008 06:48 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by munroe:
I didn't read the links. Did it work? Did Hitchens confess and name his co-conspirators?

After 11 seconds, he folded. He now agrees that waterboarding (even the gentile version applied to him) is torture.


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West Coast Greeny
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posted 03 July 2008 06:52 AM      Profile for West Coast Greeny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
At least he came around...
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munroe
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posted 03 July 2008 06:54 AM      Profile for munroe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So it worked.... as Bushie likely says, confession is good for the soul (Even Hitchen's I suppose).

Will he soon be testing some of the other interrorogation techniques?


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posted 03 July 2008 08:45 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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At least he came around...

I don't think he will come around.

He supported the invasion of Iraq, which killed over 100, 000 people. I don't think any self-respecting leftist will trust him ever again.

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Briguy
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posted 03 July 2008 09:04 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I had the same trepidation about the article, knowing Hitchen's hawkish views. I wonder when his electrode experiment will commence?
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Sven
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posted 03 July 2008 09:06 AM      Profile for Sven     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Briguy:
I had the same trepidation about the article, knowing Hitchen's hawkish views. I wonder when his electrode experiment will commence?

Why, has he been in favor of that?


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contrarianna
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posted 03 July 2008 10:17 AM      Profile for contrarianna     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Could it be there is failing demand for neocon pundits in "respectable" media venues,
OR, How to jump the shark on a waterboard.

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